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State of Poverty in Kenya
InnovateGuy
#101 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 9:10:17 PM
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murchr wrote:


Its not about owning but working on these farms. These old folks wouldn't hustle to know what other breeds of crops can do well on their farms. And what would be so wrong in working for your father anyway? I don't think any old man would have a problem if his son kept chicken, goats, cows etc. I know there's some "prestige" in being in Nairobi but ... haiko


Easier said than done. What would be the motivation of working on your father's land, if you cannot have a share of the benefits (profits)?

Cattle grazing and other ventures that do not need a lot of land can be done.
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Wakanyugi
#102 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 11:04:40 PM
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tycho wrote:
It's pure hypocrisy to blame or even prescribe remedies for the 'youth'.


Tycho: I used to think like you:

"Poor youth, they have had it so rough; they need a break; a shoulder to cry on, bla, bla, bla."

Until I realized that my parents did not believe in this philosophy and maybe that is why I turned out the way I did. Not so successful but not in Kamiti Maximum either.

And most youth just need a chance; not any of such patronizing nonsense.

Denying a young person, or any person, the chance to learn life on its own terms (no matter how harsh this seems) helps nobody.

After all, you will not always be there to lend that shoulder to cry on.

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Rankaz13
#103 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2013 11:37:02 AM
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IMO, our land tenure system as well as financing models need a serious jolt. Firstly, let's not kid ourselves, agriculture (depending on what exactly you wanna do) can be quite capital intensive. For a young man/woman who's just starting out, I can imagine it certainly isn't very easy to secure financing (hata kama ni the 100k with which to get the first greenhouse) bearing in mind that most of them do not yet own the assets which most of our financiers insist on as security.

Secondly, agriculture is a really a long-term kind of gig. I have read of people who, when they began, experienced total crop failure in the first two seasons and even have friends who have experienced the same, what they kept going (I'm reminded of a famous quote here: If you're going through hell, keep going!). Thing is, bearing in mind the long-term nature of such an engagement, how many of our local financiers have products structured for the long-term? Financing such a venture on short-term capital is a sure recipe for disaster. Imagine for that farmer who experiences crop failure yet the financiers expect their loan repayments, what to do?

I really wish this youth fund idea was well structured and enforced, it has the potential to change lots of lives in a majorly positive way. As it is, some banks are quite reluctant to disburse the funds due to the minimal charges on the loans which, they argue, are not lucrative enough for them. I wonder, for how long we shall remain captive to such warped thinking.
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sitaki.kujulikana
#104 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2013 1:47:30 PM
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murchr wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Siringi wrote:


Visiting villages and hordes of idle youth lounging in the market places .. we need to think and come up with solutions PAP otherwise.. the problem is not the hot air Cordoms... Iko Chida papa hapa


On the other hand, if you read the DN piece today about the Mkulima Young farmers hub - about young people making real money from the land you begin to wonder.

Why would one be content with a town job that pays 10,000 a month when s/he can make 10 times that from the idle land in the village?

Our youth need some tough love.




It comes easy, pay 1000/- rent, buy cheap githeri cooked on the road side, buy mitumba clothes and drink some illicit brew for 20/ and survive. These conditions will drive many to the urban areas.

If 1. Renting would be higher due to taxes collected by GOK.
2.Mama githeri would pay taxes on her road side business thus driving the price of that plate up..
3. Tax mitumba heavily and encourage local industries like rivertext, and the production of cotton/silk.
4.Be tough on illicit pombe...
5.Streamline the transport sector
6.Subsidize agriculture etc etc
These young men would not see the need of flocking into towns and cities, which i think are too inviting.


wewe wachana na mitumba
Alba
#105 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2013 9:32:05 PM
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Government waste is a primary factor in creating poverty

For example, they are wasting KES 500,000,000 retirement home for the Kibaki built at Taxpayer expense. I do not know if the house has been gifted to him or it will be 'returned' to the Taxpayers in the future.

Kibaki awarded himself a Sh25 million send-off package as well as other retirement benefits. The Presidential Retirement Benefits Amendment Bill grants President Kibaki and his predecessor Daniel arap Moi a monthly pension, house allowance and a monthly entertainment allowance.
The president will also be paid pension at the rate of 80 percent of his final salary of Sh700,000 meaning he would earn Sh560,000 a month. In addition he will be paid 40 percent of the current salary as entertainment allowance which translates to some Sh280,000.




Instead of lavishing such gifts on two people who mismanaged the country, what if the govt instead invested heavily in infrastructure ?

Not only does that create direct jobs via construction, improved infrastructure makes it easier to do business which in turn creates jobs.

Also, some of that money can be used to inject capital into dying industries like textiles. Every government out there subsidizes its industries.

murchr
#106 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2013 10:09:37 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
murchr wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Siringi wrote:


Visiting villages and hordes of idle youth lounging in the market places .. we need to think and come up with solutions PAP otherwise.. the problem is not the hot air Cordoms... Iko Chida papa hapa


On the other hand, if you read the DN piece today about the Mkulima Young farmers hub - about young people making real money from the land you begin to wonder.

Why would one be content with a town job that pays 10,000 a month when s/he can make 10 times that from the idle land in the village?

Our youth need some tough love.




It comes easy, pay 1000/- rent, buy cheap githeri cooked on the road side, buy mitumba clothes and drink some illicit brew for 20/ and survive. These conditions will drive many to the urban areas.

If 1. Renting would be higher due to taxes collected by GOK.
2.Mama githeri would pay taxes on her road side business thus driving the price of that plate up..
3. Tax mitumba heavily and encourage local industries like rivertext, and the production of cotton/silk.
4.Be tough on illicit pombe...
5.Streamline the transport sector
6.Subsidize agriculture etc etc
These young men would not see the need of flocking into towns and cities, which i think are too inviting.


wewe wachana na mitumba


As long as we're comfortable driving 2nd hand cars(which are no cheap by any nature), 2nd hand computers, 2nd hand clothes incl under garments then dont expect any improvements to the state of poverty. An assembly plant can create a multitude of jobs both directly and indirectly. The clothing industry too.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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newfarer
#107 Posted : Monday, July 29, 2013 9:50:23 PM
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now world bank grants Kenya ksh13.2 billion loan for water projects in nyanza and central regions among others.
I wonder why north Eastern and ukambani have not been mentioned yet as you can see in the discussions in this thread they deserve water more.
punda amecheka
Mukiri
#108 Posted : Monday, July 29, 2013 10:53:11 PM
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newfarer wrote:
now world bank grants Kenya ksh13.2 billion loan for water projects in nyanza and central regions among others.
I wonder why north Eastern and ukambani have not been mentioned yet as you can see in the discussions in this thread they deserve water more.

Let the politics beginSad

Proverbs 19:21
Mukiri
#109 Posted : Monday, July 29, 2013 11:04:34 PM
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Alba wrote:
Government waste is a primary factor in creating poverty

For example, they are wasting KES 500,000,000 retirement home for the Kibaki built at Taxpayer expense. I do not know if the house has been gifted to him or it will be 'returned' to the Taxpayers in the future.

Kibaki awarded himself a Sh25 million send-off package as well as other retirement benefits. The Presidential Retirement Benefits Amendment Bill grants President Kibaki and his predecessor Daniel arap Moi a monthly pension, house allowance and a monthly entertainment allowance.
The president will also be paid pension at the rate of 80 percent of his final salary of Sh700,000 meaning he would earn Sh560,000 a month. In addition he will be paid 40 percent of the current salary as entertainment allowance which translates to some Sh280,000.




Instead of lavishing such gifts on two people who mismanaged the country, what if the govt instead invested heavily in infrastructure ?

Not only does that create direct jobs via construction, improved infrastructure makes it easier to do business which in turn creates jobs.

Also, some of that money can be used to inject capital into dying industries like textiles. Every government out there subsidizes its industries.


Sad ..or use that money to put up a hospital, university or even stadium and call it Kibz, in his honor.

I just had an epiphany! With dual citizenship, can we rally and have Obama become president here?

Proverbs 19:21
maka
#110 Posted : Monday, July 29, 2013 11:21:25 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
Alba wrote:
Government waste is a primary factor in creating poverty

For example, they are wasting KES 500,000,000 retirement home for the Kibaki built at Taxpayer expense. I do not know if the house has been gifted to him or it will be 'returned' to the Taxpayers in the future.

Kibaki awarded himself a Sh25 million send-off package as well as other retirement benefits. The Presidential Retirement Benefits Amendment Bill grants President Kibaki and his predecessor Daniel arap Moi a monthly pension, house allowance and a monthly entertainment allowance.
The president will also be paid pension at the rate of 80 percent of his final salary of Sh700,000 meaning he would earn Sh560,000 a month. In addition he will be paid 40 percent of the current salary as entertainment allowance which translates to some Sh280,000.




Instead of lavishing such gifts on two people who mismanaged the country, what if the govt instead invested heavily in infrastructure ?

Not only does that create direct jobs via construction, improved infrastructure makes it easier to do business which in turn creates jobs.

Also, some of that money can be used to inject capital into dying industries like textiles. Every government out there subsidizes its industries.


Sad ..or use that money to put up a hospital, university or even stadium and call it Kibz, in his honor.

I just had an epiphany! With dual citizenship, can we rally and have Obama become president here?


He is not from the right tribe he CANNOT be president here...
possunt quia posse videntur
Mukiri
#111 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:42:08 AM
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maka wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
Alba wrote:
Government waste is a primary factor in creating poverty

For example, they are wasting KES 500,000,000 retirement home for the Kibaki built at Taxpayer expense. I do not know if the house has been gifted to him or it will be 'returned' to the Taxpayers in the future.

Kibaki awarded himself a Sh25 million send-off package as well as other retirement benefits. The Presidential Retirement Benefits Amendment Bill grants President Kibaki and his predecessor Daniel arap Moi a monthly pension, house allowance and a monthly entertainment allowance.
The president will also be paid pension at the rate of 80 percent of his final salary of Sh700,000 meaning he would earn Sh560,000 a month. In addition he will be paid 40 percent of the current salary as entertainment allowance which translates to some Sh280,000.




Instead of lavishing such gifts on two people who mismanaged the country, what if the govt instead invested heavily in infrastructure ?

Not only does that create direct jobs via construction, improved infrastructure makes it easier to do business which in turn creates jobs.

Also, some of that money can be used to inject capital into dying industries like textiles. Every government out there subsidizes its industries.


Sad ..or use that money to put up a hospital, university or even stadium and call it Kibz, in his honor.

I just had an epiphany! With dual citizenship, can we rally and have Obama become president here?


He is not from the right tribe he CANNOT be president here...

Shame on you I reckon he can.. Landslide!

Proverbs 19:21
Lolest!
#112 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:14:07 AM
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@mukiri, @maka, Barack doesn't qualify to be Kenyan President. Even if he takes up Kenyan citizenship.
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
sitaki.kujulikana
#113 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 11:12:10 AM
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murchr wrote:

As long as we're comfortable driving 2nd hand cars(which are no cheap by any nature), 2nd hand computers, 2nd hand clothes incl under garments then dont expect any improvements to the state of poverty. An assembly plant can create a multitude of jobs both directly and indirectly. The clothing industry too.

The clothing industry had a chance in the 80's, nothing happened. I remember the primary school I attended, most kids dint have shoes or jackets during the cold weather, our neighborhood had countable cars and in cases of emergency people had to walk long distances.
the cheaper second hand stuff has enable most peoples lives to improve, plus the second hand industry employs more people than an assembly plant would.
Magigi
#114 Posted : Monday, January 13, 2014 10:50:26 AM
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murchr
#115 Posted : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 5:44:17 AM
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Quote:
The government and WFP continue to aid 691,800 people in 13 affected counties

By Magdalene Mukami

NAIROBI

The Kenyan government on Monday warned that at least 1.6 million Kenyans were at risk of starvation due to prolonged drought in the East African country.

"The rains started late and ended early [this year]," Cabinet Secretary for Devolution and Planning Ann Waiguru told reporters.

"The amount of rainfall was less than normal and its distribution in space and time was generally poor," she added.

Waiguru said the areas that had experienced extremely poor rainfall this year were in the pastoral zones of the country's north and northeast and the marginal agricultural zones in the southeast.

In affected areas, she added, pasture and water had both been depleted, leading to the death of numerous animals in the region.

Pastoralists in Kenya live mainly on milk, blood and meat that they get from the livestock they raise.

Citing an assessment conducted between Jan. 26 and Feb. 6, Waiguru asserted that more than a million Kenyans were at risk of starvation.

"The assessment found that at least 1.63 million people were acutely food insecure and would require immediate assistance over the next six months," she added.

Waiguru said that, in order to address the situation, the government would disburse 279 million Kenyan shillings (roughly $3 million) from a drought contingency fund to 16 counties of Kenya for the implementation of contingency plans.

"Further disbursements will be made upon the request of affected counties," she added.

Waiguru said her government, together with the World Food Program, would continue to provide food and funding to over 691,800 beneficiaries in 13 affected counties.


More handouts.....is it cheaper to keep giving? How is this sustainable?

I know govt is not a for-profit enterprise, but wouldn't it be worthwhile to at least see the fruits that come out of these programs? You know just like the NYS program, what became of the other schemes?
http://www.capitalfm.co....s-facing-severe-famine/
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kiash
#116 Posted : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:10:57 AM
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Mukiri wrote:
Kenya's MPs 2nd Highest paid(Per capita) in the world!

Over 75% of our income goes into recurrent expenditure

Somebody somewhere must be asking, 'Whats wrong with these monkeys?' We need to smoke what the Egyptians did... but while we cultivate it, the onus of improvement/development lies within ourselves as individuals



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly And who is to blame? Kenyans. They worship the ploticians so there will never be an Egypt. This will continue to be the case. Rich politicians will always use their ill gotten wealth to bribe the poor fellas just around the elections. Imagine what campaigns are there in countries in Europe? Campaigns of ideas and people elect their leaders according to their ideas. That is why the FN in France keeps on adding followers. People would rather vote for a guy in a prado than a probox.

By the way what happened to that young MP from Buuri? no longer hears anything about him and i thought he was a promising fella !!
Muriel
#117 Posted : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 10:19:11 AM
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kiash wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
Kenya's MPs 2nd Highest paid(Per capita) in the world!

Over 75% of our income goes into recurrent expenditure

Somebody somewhere must be asking, 'Whats wrong with these monkeys?' We need to smoke what the Egyptians did... but while we cultivate it, the onus of improvement/development lies within ourselves as individuals



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly And who is to blame? Kenyans. They worship the ploticians so there will never be an Egypt. This will continue to be the case. Rich politicians will always use their ill gotten wealth to bribe the poor fellas just around the elections. Imagine what campaigns are there in countries in Europe? Campaigns of ideas and people elect their leaders according to their ideas. That is why the FN in France keeps on adding followers. People would rather vote for a guy in a prado than a probox.

By the way what happened to that young MP from Buuri? no longer hears anything about him and i thought he was a promising fella !!


Yes, the private developers.
tycho
#118 Posted : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 10:31:16 AM
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kiash wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
Kenya's MPs 2nd Highest paid(Per capita) in the world!

Over 75% of our income goes into recurrent expenditure

Somebody somewhere must be asking, 'Whats wrong with these monkeys?' We need to smoke what the Egyptians did... but while we cultivate it, the onus of improvement/development lies within ourselves as individuals



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly And who is to blame? Kenyans. They worship the ploticians so there will never be an Egypt. This will continue to be the case. Rich politicians will always use their ill gotten wealth to bribe the poor fellas just around the elections. Imagine what campaigns are there in countries in Europe? Campaigns of ideas and people elect their leaders according to their ideas. That is why the FN in France keeps on adding followers. People would rather vote for a guy in a prado than a probox.

By the way what happened to that young MP from Buuri? no longer hears anything about him and i thought he was a promising fella !!


What's it about Egypt?
timbosho
#119 Posted : Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:06:03 AM
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kiash wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
Kenya's MPs 2nd Highest paid(Per capita) in the world!

Over 75% of our income goes into recurrent expenditure

Somebody somewhere must be asking, 'Whats wrong with these monkeys?' We need to smoke what the Egyptians did... but while we cultivate it, the onus of improvement/development lies within ourselves as individuals



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly And who is to blame? Kenyans. They worship the ploticians so there will never be an Egypt. This will continue to be the case. Rich politicians will always use their ill gotten wealth to bribe the poor fellas just around the elections. Imagine what campaigns are there in countries in Europe? Campaigns of ideas and people elect their leaders according to their ideas. That is why the FN in France keeps on adding followers. People would rather vote for a guy in a prado than a probox.

By the way what happened to that young MP from Buuri? no longer hears anything about him and i thought he was a promising fella !!


Saa zingine ukipata time na unakaa chini, kafombe kameanza kuingia kichwa,story zimeisha, unajipata ukijiuliza enyewe what is wrong with us, not just Kenyans but Africans in general. All over Africa, the same game is taking place, has been taking place for centuries. In the times of our forefathers, our leaders gave away their land,ivory, gold and jewels, their brothers and sisters for glass beads, whisky and bad guns. They did not work for unity amongst Africans to fight the colonialists, they preferred to be chiefs/kings of a small group of people than a raia in a larger united group. When we took over after colonialism we did not learn from our history but continued along the same lines, replacing the white exploiter with the black exploiter, maintaining divisions among people instead of building nations, not investing adequately in ourselves, and now here we are, wondering why poverty, hunger and disease are still hunting us down.
I do not know if its innate or its structural, but we have largely maintained the same land tenure, political, economic structures we were left with by the colonialists, without asking ourselves if they are fit for us. Agriculture, for example, has been the foundation on which wealth and industries are built for many countries in the world. Without fair land distribution, investment in rural infrastructure linking farms to markets, extension services and farm inputs, poverty and hunger will continue to stalk us. Very few countries have developed without fixing their agricultural sectors, so why do African countries think they will be the exception?
murchr
#120 Posted : Wednesday, February 25, 2015 3:16:56 AM
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I watched the Agri Cabinet secretary giving excuses on why the Galana irrigation project has failed and I just couldn't believe it. Blaming it on infrastructure yet it was clear that the road was in bad shape even b4 the project was launched. How i wish we had a fierce 3rd estate, some of these Cabinet secretaries need to be asked really hard questions.
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