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jguru
#41 Posted : Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:05:37 PM
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kysse wrote:
GURU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray

Why oh why have you decided to stress me with those pics?
Blood can be removed via vein or blood donation will do.
But Creepy crawling things sucking blood off one's body?


It's the method that @Mukiri would approve of. The natural way. smile

Yes, they can treat polycythemia by drawing blood using from a vein repeatedly.
Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
quicksand
#42 Posted : Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:09:20 PM
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jguru wrote:
quicksand wrote:
@Jguru... I am apologizing in advance for being a wet blanket, but you are second guessing your fellow doctor and yet you did not examine the patient or blood samples.....doesn't sit right with me. I am confident oou wouldn't want another fellow to do that to you.


No need to apologise.

I wouldn't mind another professional second-guessing me. No harm at all in seeking a second opinion.

In life, and in most industries too, someone else will most often review the work and decisions of another person.

It is quite possible the guy peering at the microscope saw something, scribbled it down in the medical notes as supporting evidence for the course that was taken, but cause of the technicality of it all, essyk here hasn't told us, probably doesn't even know. You didn't examine the blood. If this was the real world and you offered remedial suggestions while you were all taking a soda somewhere, she took it and complications arose cause of something you couldn't possibly see because you didn't examine anything, the medical board would string you up because possibly, you don't have all the facts.
Dear kysse, you can't be diagnosed over the internet. It just gives you reassurances that don't mean squat. Visit another doctor, physically.


Rankaz13
#43 Posted : Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:18:27 PM
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quicksand wrote:
@Jguru... I am apologizing in advance for being a wet blanket, but you are second guessing your fellow doctor and yet you did not examine the patient or blood samples.....doesn't sit right with me. I am confident oou wouldn't want another fellow to do that to you.


Seeking a second, and even third, opinion is encouraged as it enables you as a client to make an informed choice.
Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
Mukiri
#44 Posted : Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:20:38 PM
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jguru wrote:
kysse wrote:
GURU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray

Why oh why have you decided to stress me with those pics?
Blood can be removed via vein or blood donation will do.
But Creepy crawling things sucking blood off one's body?


It's the method that @Mukiri would approve of. The natural way. smile

Yes, they can treat polycythemia by drawing blood using from a vein repeatedly.

Doc.. We are on the same wave length there.smile

Proverbs 19:21
Rankaz13
#45 Posted : Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:25:37 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
Remember those high school debates that ended with 'Naomba uvuke sakafu kwa mwendo wa aste aste, ili tupinge mjadala...'
Come to our fermented foods section. Start making your own Vinegar(Si umeskia daktari ametaja), Kefir, Kvass, Kombucha(you can use the hibiscus tea) and Sauerkraut.
Combine these with super foods Moringa, Camel milk, Coconut oil, garlic, Cayenne, ginger, Aloe vera, spirulina.
Snack on almonds, pumpkin seeds, chia seeds and flax seeds.
Cook with either coconut oil or ghee only!
Moisturize with coconut oil and shea butter.
Brush your teeth with coconut oil and charcoal(food grade).
De-worm using black wormwood.
Bask atleast an hour every day.
Boil and filter your water.
Exercise. Don't forget resistance training even though you are a lady.
Laughter yoga
Emotional Freedom technique for emotional issues such as @impunity
Marry a real man to tengeneza that your airport
Avoid junk, processed food, maize products, wheat products, milk products(other than camel milk).. and you'll be well.

And most importantly, put God first in all that you do.. even this 'small' health issue.

PS: To the 'experts' will all these drugs you recommend increase her weight?



Not really. But kwa nini unataka anone?
Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
quicksand
#46 Posted : Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:41:46 PM
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Rankaz13 wrote:
quicksand wrote:
@Jguru... I am apologizing in advance for being a wet blanket, but you are second guessing your fellow doctor and yet you did not examine the patient or blood samples.....doesn't sit right with me. I am confident oou wouldn't want another fellow to do that to you.


Seeking a second, and even third, opinion is encouraged as it enables you as a client to make an informed choice.


Yes I agree, but physically. In person. The other diagnostician needs the advantages of the presence of the patient and samples. In medicine, you can be found to be criminally negligent if you are a holder of that MBChB degree and licensed. Of course all the rest who are just Joe Citizen are merely being good people offering advice and are not liable.
Mukiri
#47 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:02:46 AM
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Rankaz13 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
Remember those high school debates that ended with 'Naomba uvuke sakafu kwa mwendo wa aste aste, ili tupinge mjadala...'
Come to our fermented foods section. Start making your own Vinegar(Si umeskia daktari ametaja), Kefir, Kvass, Kombucha(you can use the hibiscus tea) and Sauerkraut.
Combine these with super foods Moringa, Camel milk, Coconut oil, garlic, Cayenne, ginger, Aloe vera, spirulina.
Snack on almonds, pumpkin seeds, chia seeds and flax seeds.
Cook with either coconut oil or ghee only!
Moisturize with coconut oil and shea butter.
Brush your teeth with coconut oil and charcoal(food grade).
De-worm using black wormwood.
Bask atleast an hour every day.
Boil and filter your water.
Exercise. Don't forget resistance training even though you are a lady.
Laughter yoga
Emotional Freedom technique for emotional issues such as @impunity
Marry a real man to tengeneza that your airport
Avoid junk, processed food, maize products, wheat products, milk products(other than camel milk).. and you'll be well.

And most importantly, put God first in all that you do.. even this 'small' health issue.

PS: To the 'experts' will all these drugs you recommend increase her weight?



Not really. But kwa nini unataka anone?

She asked for that a while back.. I think she also wants to add a little weight. Loraine?

Proverbs 19:21
Bigchick
#48 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 7:56:07 AM
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jguru wrote:
quicksand wrote:
@Jguru... I am apologizing in advance for being a wet blanket, but you are second guessing your fellow doctor and yet you did not examine the patient or blood samples.....doesn't sit right with me. I am confident oou wouldn't want another fellow to do that to you.


No need to apologise.

I wouldn't mind another professional second-guessing me. No harm at all in seeking a second opinion.

In life, and in most industries too, someone else will most often review the work and decisions of another person.



Well said Dr.I like your attitude

Nobody has monopoly of knowledge and in this dynamic and innovative world, things keep changing and new ideas come up.
Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
kysse
#49 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 9:11:22 AM
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Impunity wrote:
.
My only weakness is that I see things the way they are.
Pole sana. I have since withdrawn, can a person be forgiven?
Not talking

Stop seeing what is is that you want to see because you end up judging people falsely.
You sure don't want God to teach you the principles of 'seeing'.
Then,reduce your pride and negative comments on females you dislike..You will go far if you do.
Go and sin no more.
kysse
#50 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 9:18:21 AM
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@ mukiri,
Proportionate is fine. I am.
Ngong
#51 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:42:44 PM
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Location: Ngong Forest
Now after church take a detour my dear,look left,right,back and then left again.Order two [2] Guinness Kubwa moderate temperature,relax and enjoy your drink!
Repeat this after every two days for one year!
Then report back.
Mukiri
#52 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:40:33 PM
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Joined: 7/11/2012
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kysse wrote:
Impunity wrote:
.
My only weakness is that I see things the way they are.
Pole sana. I have since withdrawn, can a person be forgiven?
Not talking

Your weakness is that you are cross eyed and see things from that perspective.Stop justifying your evil attitude.
But a word of advice young man.
Don't go round spewing thrash on people you know nothing about esp if you ain't all that.
It's a sign of immaturity and insecurity worse coming from a man!
I saw you at the mbuzi,but we did not even talk/get close yet I remember talking to men.
1. You wrote to me when I was a newbie and I rebuked you because you had made a nasty comment as usual.
2. From that moment you decided to start throwing jabs at me to spoil my face but I ignore.
3. You were really keen on what I was drinking at mbuzi,like it mattered to you.
4. I stayed covered with shawl all through cz it was very cold,thanks to a kind friend,but you just had to ask what I wore under the shawl online? seriously?
5. You came to say hi,but I was on my way out so we never shook hands or talked.
But you have the audacity to say blablabla like sheep.
# hands akimbo with att#smile
What were you expecting to see? a bbw laden with brookside dairy and a big future behind?
God did not make a mistake when he gave me a small frame so I won't apologise for being slender.
Advice-take your opinion to kuzabiashara for interview cz personaly I have decided to flush it down the toilet, harpic following suit. Germs must die.

Talk to me when you are done with the interview
and I may have some lil respect for you.
So far,I am SMH.

off to church.smile

Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Two wrongs don't make a rightSad You have stooped to his level, how sad!

Proverbs 19:21
kysse
#53 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:45:26 PM
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@ Mukiri,God has ministered to me in church. Nimetubu zambi.
discard now.
CLK
#54 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:54:12 PM
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Posts: 846
Rankaz13 wrote:
kysse wrote:
Honourable medics from guru,rankaz kamundu to manundu.

I went for a thorough blood test and mine turned out 7.
The doc didn't go into deep details,but gave me a 'like seriously? look,leaving me to ask him if I should book space kwa OB.
The nurse pricked my finger severally but only a dot came out.Had to really squeeeze it instead of having to prick all my fingers for blood.
He gave me Ranferon,which I turned down cz it tastes like real iron and makes one downloads dark,-why ?
Gave me Saferon instead.
What does Saferon do?

And what's normal blood level for an average adult female cz my energy levels are high.





@kysse, kwanza pole zangu. I presume you're a socket smile , right? A Hb level of 7 is recipe for disaster my dear especially for a female (what with the usual biological processes, you know what I mean smile ) and you're lucky your doc didn't admit you. Seriously, Hb of 7 and below us considered anemia and is recipe for admission and subsequent blood transfusion.

According to some research done locally, a significant no. of our female sisters/mothers/significant others are walking around in an anemic or pre-anemic state unknowingly. So it is a good thing you actually took the initiative to have the test done.

Without dwelling too much on the signs to look out for, most common ones include general lethargy and a feeling of 'tiredness' on exertion, so that one will constantly feel breathless and tired after a shirt flight of stairs (going up, not downsmile ), after a brisk walk or light jogging. For a child experiencing this, they may tend to withdraw from playtime which doesn't augur well for their normal bone, muscle as well as social skills development. Obviously, we all are aware that it is Hb that carries the oxygen in blood required to oxygenate our tissues, so kama Hb haitoshi basi hata oxygen owes tosha. If untreated over a long period if time, then chronic anemia may eventually lead to cardiac ailment.

There are a variety of causes of anemia which I'll not necessarily dwell on. In an otherwise healthy individual, most common causes may be due to poor diet as well as bleeding (e.g after an injury/accident, or a bleeding gastric/duodenal ulcer) as well as biological (sockets), chronic alcoholism mainly because it is associated with poor nutrition, and pregnancy (due to increased demands).

Having established that what you're suffering from is iron-deficiency anemia, this explains the logic behind your doctor prescribing iron supplements of which ranferon and saferon are just but some of the brands in the market. Usually the problem with iron is that it is quite unpalatable, hence the metallic taste you've do aptly described. To improve in this, several formulations exist in the market to both mask the taste as well as improve absorption once ingested. If you're going to buy iron supplements, look for those that have ferrous fumarate or some 'carbonyl-iron' molecule as they have better palatability and yield more iron. For this reason, if you can't stomach whatever you were given, I'd advise you to go for Zeefee syrup, it's packaged in a red/white box with a bottle shaped 'kama ya mzinga'. A 200ml bottle should cost in the region of 320-360 bob and will give you faster results than some of the competing brands. Take 10mls thrice daily.

It's important to note that citric acid improves iron absorption, hence if you have access to your citrus fruits, the better. There are some other formulations that contain ferrous citrate for that very reason. Also note that most of these formulations, in addition to the ferrous component, may also contain folate/folic acid as well as vitamin B12/cyanocobalamin. Reason is all these molecules are synergistic in so far as hemoglobin synthesis is concerned so they therefore are beneficial. By the time your body begins to exhibit iron deficiency, chances are very high that there are varying levels of deficiency if the other two too.

That said, supplements are not for the long term. We need to look at your diet for that purpose. Need I emphasize on the iron-rich foods? Off the too of my head, liver and kidney (hizi kama hujui kupika hata afadhali uitishe recipe, I'll gladly give it), spinach, boiled lentils, chicken and beans. Include those in your diet.

Lastly, ensure you deworm regularly (every 3months). Those little guys can cause anemia, not by sucking your blood but by nibbling on your body reserves of folate.

Oh, and the dark stool coloration is because of iron excreted, either because you took too much or your body being unable to absorb it perhaps due to the formulation it is in, etc. I should perhaps emphasize here that you should not take your iron supplements within 2-3hrs of taking milk or antacids. The cations in them (calcium, magnesium, aluminium, etc) will chelate with the ferrous/ferric ions and render it useless.

Take a look at these websites ujionee:

webMD

McKinley

Admittedly, I'm a bit distracted as I type this but I do hope I'm coherent enough. In case anything is unclear, feel free to query. Ugua pole.







@Rankaz13, aren't these two related? i know of someone who had dark stool and the doctor checked and found he was bleeding in the stomach due to ulcers.
I would recommend kysee gets that checked.
Also kindly reserve the maini choma for mbuzi8 for her majesty.
Get well soon....
CLK
#55 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:59:44 PM
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CLK
#56 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 3:13:28 PM
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jguru wrote:
quicksand wrote:
@Jguru... I am apologizing in advance for being a wet blanket, but you are second guessing your fellow doctor and yet you did not examine the patient or blood samples.....doesn't sit right with me. I am confident oou wouldn't want another fellow to do that to you.


No need to apologise.

I wouldn't mind another professional second-guessing me. No harm at all in seeking a second opinion.

In life, and in most industries too, someone else will most often review the work and decisions of another person.


Its okay for her to see another doctor considering most of the time we see GPs at the casuality who will try to address the problem with i think the most basic way, when a problem recurs or there is no improvement, then the patient is referred to a specialist.
Also doctors being human, they are prone to mistakes that lead to misdiagnosis etc...
kysse
#57 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 3:31:28 PM
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CLK wrote:
jguru wrote:
quicksand wrote:
@Jguru... I am apologizing in advance for being a wet blanket, but you are second guessing your fellow doctor and yet you did not examine the patient or blood samples.....doesn't sit right with me. I am confident oou wouldn't want another fellow to do that to you.


No need to apologise.

I wouldn't mind another professional second-guessing me. No harm at all in seeking a second opinion.

In life, and in most industries too, someone else will most often review the work and decisions of another person.


Its okay for her to see another doctor considering most of the time we see GPs at the casuality who will try to address the problem with i think the most basic way, when a problem recurs or there is no improvement, then the patient is referred to a specialist.
Also doctors being human, they are prone to mistakes that lead to misdiagnosis etc...



I went where I am covered. It's a major hospital and good as far as am concerned.
No need incurring extra costs if I am not dying.
I now plan on doubling the HB in a months time,until I become leeches food.
Rankaz13
#58 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 3:32:17 PM
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CLK wrote:
Rankaz13 wrote:
kysse wrote:
Honourable medics from guru,rankaz kamundu to manundu.

I went for a thorough blood test and mine turned out 7.
The doc didn't go into deep details,but gave me a 'like seriously? look,leaving me to ask him if I should book space kwa OB.
The nurse pricked my finger severally but only a dot came out.Had to really squeeeze it instead of having to prick all my fingers for blood.
He gave me Ranferon,which I turned down cz it tastes like real iron and makes one downloads dark,-why ?
Gave me Saferon instead.
What does Saferon do?

And what's normal blood level for an average adult female cz my energy levels are high.





@kysse, kwanza pole zangu. I presume you're a socket smile , right? A Hb level of 7 is recipe for disaster my dear especially for a female (what with the usual biological processes, you know what I mean smile ) and you're lucky your doc didn't admit you. Seriously, Hb of 7 and below us considered anemia and is recipe for admission and subsequent blood transfusion.

According to some research done locally, a significant no. of our female sisters/mothers/significant others are walking around in an anemic or pre-anemic state unknowingly. So it is a good thing you actually took the initiative to have the test done.

Without dwelling too much on the signs to look out for, most common ones include general lethargy and a feeling of 'tiredness' on exertion, so that one will constantly feel breathless and tired after a shirt flight of stairs (going up, not downsmile ), after a brisk walk or light jogging. For a child experiencing this, they may tend to withdraw from playtime which doesn't augur well for their normal bone, muscle as well as social skills development. Obviously, we all are aware that it is Hb that carries the oxygen in blood required to oxygenate our tissues, so kama Hb haitoshi basi hata oxygen owes tosha. If untreated over a long period if time, then chronic anemia may eventually lead to cardiac ailment.

There are a variety of causes of anemia which I'll not necessarily dwell on. In an otherwise healthy individual, most common causes may be due to poor diet as well as bleeding (e.g after an injury/accident, or a bleeding gastric/duodenal ulcer) as well as biological (sockets), chronic alcoholism mainly because it is associated with poor nutrition, and pregnancy (due to increased demands).

Having established that what you're suffering from is iron-deficiency anemia, this explains the logic behind your doctor prescribing iron supplements of which ranferon and saferon are just but some of the brands in the market. Usually the problem with iron is that it is quite unpalatable, hence the metallic taste you've do aptly described. To improve in this, several formulations exist in the market to both mask the taste as well as improve absorption once ingested. If you're going to buy iron supplements, look for those that have ferrous fumarate or some 'carbonyl-iron' molecule as they have better palatability and yield more iron. For this reason, if you can't stomach whatever you were given, I'd advise you to go for Zeefee syrup, it's packaged in a red/white box with a bottle shaped 'kama ya mzinga'. A 200ml bottle should cost in the region of 320-360 bob and will give you faster results than some of the competing brands. Take 10mls thrice daily.

It's important to note that citric acid improves iron absorption, hence if you have access to your citrus fruits, the better. There are some other formulations that contain ferrous citrate for that very reason. Also note that most of these formulations, in addition to the ferrous component, may also contain folate/folic acid as well as vitamin B12/cyanocobalamin. Reason is all these molecules are synergistic in so far as hemoglobin synthesis is concerned so they therefore are beneficial. By the time your body begins to exhibit iron deficiency, chances are very high that there are varying levels of deficiency if the other two too.

That said, supplements are not for the long term. We need to look at your diet for that purpose. Need I emphasize on the iron-rich foods? Off the too of my head, liver and kidney (hizi kama hujui kupika hata afadhali uitishe recipe, I'll gladly give it), spinach, boiled lentils, chicken and beans. Include those in your diet.

Lastly, ensure you deworm regularly (every 3months). Those little guys can cause anemia, not by sucking your blood but by nibbling on your body reserves of folate.

Oh, and the dark stool coloration is because of iron excreted, either because you took too much or your body being unable to absorb it perhaps due to the formulation it is in, etc. I should perhaps emphasize here that you should not take your iron supplements within 2-3hrs of taking milk or antacids. The cations in them (calcium, magnesium, aluminium, etc) will chelate with the ferrous/ferric ions and render it useless.

Take a look at these websites ujionee:

webMD

McKinley

Admittedly, I'm a bit distracted as I type this but I do hope I'm coherent enough. In case anything is unclear, feel free to query. Ugua pole.







@Rankaz13, aren't these two related? i know of someone who had dark stool and the doctor checked and found he was bleeding in the stomach due to ulcers.
I would recommend kysee gets that checked.
Also kindly reserve the maini choma for mbuzi8 for her majesty.
Get well soon....


Indeed they are sir. But from @essyk's info, it seems like it's an issue that only sufficed after she began taking her supplements and not prior to that.
Oh, and the maini has been reserved too!smile smile

Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
Rankaz13
#59 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 3:37:48 PM
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kysse wrote:
CLK wrote:
jguru wrote:
quicksand wrote:
@Jguru... I am apologizing in advance for being a wet blanket, but you are second guessing your fellow doctor and yet you did not examine the patient or blood samples.....doesn't sit right with me. I am confident oou wouldn't want another fellow to do that to you.


No need to apologise.

I wouldn't mind another professional second-guessing me. No harm at all in seeking a second opinion.

In life, and in most industries too, someone else will most often review the work and decisions of another person.


Its okay for her to see another doctor considering most of the time we see GPs at the casuality who will try to address the problem with i think the most basic way, when a problem recurs or there is no improvement, then the patient is referred to a specialist.
Also doctors being human, they are prone to mistakes that lead to misdiagnosis etc...



I went where I am covered. It's a major hospital and good as far as am concerned.
No need incurring extra costs if I am not dying.
I now plan on doubling the HB in a months time,until I become leeches food.


While at it, if you don't notice a significant improvement, I'd suggest you have your doctor investigate any of those issues @jguru touched on please. Even as we try to raise your Hb, it's important for you to know what caused it to fall in the first place si that you can know how to prevent if from recurring and how to better take care of yourself.
Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
kysse
#60 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 3:45:25 PM
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Rankaz13 wrote:
it seems like it's an issue that only sufficed after she began taking her supplements and not prior to that.
True.
Oh, and the maini has been reserved too!smile smile
unless you get it done with the rosemary's ,thyme,vinegar,citrus anything to disguise the taste.
But Why didn't we have mitura's(za meat not blood ) in the mbuzi?



Rankaz13 wrote:


While at it, if you don't notice a significant improvement, I'd suggest you have your doctor investigate any of those issues @jguru touched on please. Even as we try to raise your Hb, it's important for you to know what caused it to fall in the first place si that you can know how to prevent if from recurring and how to better take care of yourself.


Doc's have this habit of diagonising other gigantic probs.It's good, but we dread.
There's a woman who was living a full life until the doc discovered breast cancer.
She died 3 days later out of anxiety and depression.
See,I do not have health issues,never have, infact, my not seeing docs as often as people do makes me get concerned.

This HB one from what I have read here and analysed,is as a result of lifestyle.
I Need to fall in love with food more than work .




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