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segemia
#61 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:29:07 AM
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gregory wrote:
segemia wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
obiero wrote:
as a tenant i would want to vacate willingly during construction. i wldnt have the stomach to imagine being suddenly burried under 39floors of concrete


No need to worry @ obiero...the contractor has idemnified NSSF against any accidents meaning he has insured all and sundry within the construction site...


What do you @Kaigangio mean????

before construction work begins, the contractor has to have taken adequate insurance to cover the building under construction and the people working there. furthermore, there is also insurance against injury to persons and property caused as a result of the works. i.e damage to adjacent buildings etc.


@gregory, In this case where the construction will be carried out when the businesses within the "construction site" will be running normally, are the shoppers and business owners covered or insured by the contractor against any accidents?
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Chiizi
#62 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:39:28 AM
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This is a sick idea. People are running away from town. How much floor space will they create?
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Chiizi
#63 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:46:51 AM
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@Kaigangio,

Please tell us more about works to the foundations. I know a German company was contracted to come and ensure that that construction did not affect the neighbouring Nginyo towers plus other buildings andKoinange street as an after thought. No other person was allowed on site during their contract. The Germans came in with their own labourers, engineers and even truck drivers to protect their technology. Over to you on that one. Shed more light please.
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Siringi
#64 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:20:24 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
bartum wrote:
@kaiganjo you must be a civil engineer

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Drool Shhh Sickquot; When i grow up smile i want to write posts like @Kaigangio
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Ngogoyo
#65 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:47:17 PM
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obiero wrote:
as a tenant i would want to vacate willingly during construction. i wldnt have the stomach to imagine being suddenly burried under 39floors of concrete


sacrifice today for a better tomorrow i hope
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gregory
#66 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:48:55 PM
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segemia wrote:
gregory wrote:
segemia wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
obiero wrote:
as a tenant i would want to vacate willingly during construction. i wldnt have the stomach to imagine being suddenly burried under 39floors of concrete


No need to worry @ obiero...the contractor has idemnified NSSF against any accidents meaning he has insured all and sundry within the construction site...


What do you @Kaigangio mean????

before construction work begins, the contractor has to have taken adequate insurance to cover the building under construction and the people working there. furthermore, there is also insurance against injury to persons and property caused as a result of the works. i.e damage to adjacent buildings etc.


@gregory, In this case where the construction will be carried out when the businesses within the "construction site" will be running normally, are the shoppers and business owners covered or insured by the contractor against any accidents?


these are general insurance clauses in construction contracts. in this instance, they have allowed shoppers and business owners to continue accessing the building. it get's very interesting coz once a contractor hands over a building, the owner is now supposed to provide his insurance cover. in this case, the owner of the building has insurance for the occupied floors and the contractor takes insurance for the new works. if for example a falling debris injures someone, the contractor is responsible but if an accident happens in the current shop floors, the building owner is responsible
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Kaigangio
#67 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:07:05 PM
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segemia wrote:
gregory wrote:
segemia wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
obiero wrote:
as a tenant i would want to vacate willingly during construction. i wldnt have the stomach to imagine being suddenly burried under 39floors of concrete


No need to worry @ obiero...the contractor has idemnified NSSF against any accidents meaning he has insured all and sundry within the construction site...


What do you @Kaigangio mean????

before construction work begins, the contractor has to have taken adequate insurance to cover the building under construction and the people working there. furthermore, there is also insurance against injury to persons and property caused as a result of the works. i.e damage to adjacent buildings etc.


@gregory, In this case where the construction will be carried out when the businesses within the "construction site" will be running normally, are the shoppers and business owners covered or insured by the contractor against any accidents?


@gregory is right...The contractor must before construction begin submit two things to the client namely:

1. Performance/surety bond...This covers the developer against any non-performance situation by the contractor

2. Idemnity covers...This covers the developer against any claims that may arise from:

(i) any persons (workers and others involved in the project) injured in the site in case of an accident.

(ii) any damages to neighbouring buildings and plant/equipment during the life of the contract (construction)





...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Kaigangio
#68 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:12:44 PM
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Chiizi wrote:
This is a sick idea. People are running away from town. How much floor space will they create?


It is not a sick idea. Many bussinesses are moving from CBD because of parking problems...

by any standards within Nairobi, an office block offering parking to the tune of 500 vehicle spaces is a hot cake...believe me, there will be a cut throat competition and scrambling for these office spaces...
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Kaigangio
#69 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:33:14 PM
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Chiizi wrote:
@Kaigangio,

Please tell us more about works to the foundations. I know a German company was contracted to come and ensure that that construction did not affect the neighbouring Nginyo towers plus other buildings andKoinange street as an after thought. No other person was allowed on site during their contract. The Germans came in with their own labourers, engineers and even truck drivers to protect their technology. Over to you on that one. Shed more light please.


The companies that participated (tendered) in the construction of the first phase of this development were purely Kenyan. Any other participants were just domestic sub-contractors who had no contact and contract whatsowever with the NSSF.

Some of the notable domestic subs in the basements were:

1. piling...I can't remember the company name

2. raft pre-mixed concrete supplier...Mugoya construction

3. Waterproofing specialists...Molecular Maintenance

Any others may have passed me...


...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Kaigangio
#70 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:49:54 PM
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gregory wrote:
segemia wrote:
gregory wrote:
segemia wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
obiero wrote:
as a tenant i would want to vacate willingly during construction. i wldnt have the stomach to imagine being suddenly burried under 39floors of concrete


No need to worry @ obiero...the contractor has idemnified NSSF against any accidents meaning he has insured all and sundry within the construction site...


What do you @Kaigangio mean????

before construction work begins, the contractor has to have taken adequate insurance to cover the building under construction and the people working there. furthermore, there is also insurance against injury to persons and property caused as a result of the works. i.e damage to adjacent buildings etc.


@gregory, In this case where the construction will be carried out when the businesses within the "construction site" will be running normally, are the shoppers and business owners covered or insured by the contractor against any accidents?


these are general insurance clauses in construction contracts. in this instance, they have allowed shoppers and business owners to continue accessing the building. it get's very interesting coz once a contractor hands over a building, the owner is now supposed to provide his insurance cover. in this case, the owner of the building has insurance for the occupied floors and the contractor takes insurance for the new works. if for example a falling debris injures someone, the contractor is responsible but if an accident happens in the current shop floors, the building owner is responsible


@ gregory

A landlord who would agree to such would be quite foolish...Why?

The site once handed over to the contractor literally becomes his including any other item within it and as such the landlord is covered against any claims that may arise from within the site during the contract execution.

This is one of the tender conditions and thereafter contract condition that the contractor is obliged to adhere to failure to which the contractor automatically breaches the contract...

The Hazina towers development is unique in that there are three categories of people on this construction site.

1. the controlled category...these are the workers carrying out the construction on this site.

2. the uncontrolled permanent category...these are the businessmen/women owning businesses in the construction site

3. the uncontrolled non-permanent (temporary) category...these are you and me who visit or go shopping in the construction site and we are there for only a couple of minutes in a given visit...

The landlord is normally clever enough to transfer all the risks to the contractor from day one of the construction at a premium...

At any instantaneous time anybody within this building is and should be covered against any harmful effects of the construction...

...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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