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tycho wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:tycho wrote:I will let my claims about misanthropy wait and tackle your other points. What's the fence; and whose standards am I using? The fence, is the construction of my ego. Good. A construction of your own ego. I will read this sentence along with your last statement. tycho wrote:So the question is, do I see the world as 'good'? I do. How? By going beyond the 'fence'. What makes you think that going beyond the fence is the best thing? Why should "we" strive to go beyond the fence? Will we enjoy the same privileges you purport to enjoy? Is it the only thing that matters in life? The standards are both Man's and God's. The two must always go together. And the ultimate act is the reconciliation of these standards. I am aware of God's standards. Lol. I will not even tackle the standards. What does living in an 'imperfect world' mean? It means that you look at the world and you see that it's not 'good'. You even point out the fact of 'subjectivity'. So the question is, do I see the world as 'good'? I do. How? By going beyond the 'fence'. A 'perfect' way to beyond the fence exists. It is the way of the cross. Back to the question of going beyond the fence, I will tackle the motivation. It's good that you brought up the word ego. According to Freud's psychoanalytic theory, personality has three components: ego, the id and superego. The ego component expresses rationality. It tries to make sense of the id component which is in charge of desires and wants. Your desire to go beyond the fence is to achieve satisfaction. Is the satisfaction a good thing? Yes it is. If fulfills the wishes of your superego. In this case, your superego is telling that going beyond the fence is the best thing. Well, no qualms about that. The big question is: is your definition of the fence universal? I don't think so. Therefore, the real driving force behind your thoughts is not achieve satisfaction. It is an attempt to be a cut above the rest. As a consequence, you seek to dominate and convince us that we need to go beyond the fence. We will be super-humans. Well, nothing is entirely wrong with that. But there's a problem, isn't the wholesome acceptance of other people's ideas without carrying out a background check on how it fits in well with our wishes slavery? Slavery that you wish to end! I wonder how many feel dominated. But, it's not about 'we'. It's about 'I'. Domination is in those who have a 'we'. 'Freud-sons'. What is the 'Super ego'? What is the 'ego'? The 'id'? They are all one thing. That's why the psychoanalytic 'process' is 'valid'. I believe you can now see what being beyond the fence is. It is going beyond Freud and discovering that All are one. Are these values universal? Of course! Look at the myths of the world- the 'Super egos'. Tycho,you will have done justice to yourself and fellow bloggers on this forum if you provided a good rebuttal of the points I raised.
Again, it will be to the benefit of "philosophers" if you provided a clear thesis of your argument, and good points to support it.
Otherwise, I will assume that you do not know what it is that you assert, and therefore cannot stand your ground when confronted with divergent reasoning. Stop the escapism and man up! Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
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infinitely whole or wholly infinite?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2012 Posts: 1,110
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Ngong wrote:Haiya! Man up tena.
I don't know what it is that you are thinking, but I used Man up in this sense: Be brave enough to come out and give a counterargument. Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
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how do these guys communicate with their wives/gf?
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Ngong wrote:zero has value; a computer stores data in binary digits of 1 and 0.
So what was your question about zero again?
Exactly!
The presence and absence of,digitally speaking First the assertion 'zero is a number, also the number that is no number', mara 'zero is a number - a zero number'.... Then the mighty 180 degree turn around 'zero isn't about absence' ...... escapism as InnovateGuy aptly puts it. Both of you must have hoped that zero has no value. So that you could say it cannot be defined. So that you could say it has no boundary, no fence. What you earlier thought had no fence turns out to have one. It can be defined, delineated. You took a leap of faith, without making sure of the landing first. What else have you thought needs no fence that has turned out has one? And there is nothing you can do about it. If the final concession is still hard to come by after this, I understand. I wont push for it. InnovateGuy is asking for a clear thesis. I just want a demonstration. I am sure it will speak for itself to me better than you can ever explain.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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@Symbols come in,help a brother the long knives are drawn
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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InnovateGuy wrote:tycho wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:tycho wrote:I will let my claims about misanthropy wait and tackle your other points. What's the fence; and whose standards am I using? The fence, is the construction of my ego. Good. A construction of your own ego. I will read this sentence along with your last statement. tycho wrote:So the question is, do I see the world as 'good'? I do. How? By going beyond the 'fence'. What makes you think that going beyond the fence is the best thing? Why should "we" strive to go beyond the fence? Will we enjoy the same privileges you purport to enjoy? Is it the only thing that matters in life? The standards are both Man's and God's. The two must always go together. And the ultimate act is the reconciliation of these standards. I am aware of God's standards. Lol. I will not even tackle the standards. What does living in an 'imperfect world' mean? It means that you look at the world and you see that it's not 'good'. You even point out the fact of 'subjectivity'. So the question is, do I see the world as 'good'? I do. How? By going beyond the 'fence'. A 'perfect' way to beyond the fence exists. It is the way of the cross. Back to the question of going beyond the fence, I will tackle the motivation. It's good that you brought up the word ego. According to Freud's psychoanalytic theory, personality has three components: ego, the id and superego. The ego component expresses rationality. It tries to make sense of the id component which is in charge of desires and wants. Your desire to go beyond the fence is to achieve satisfaction. Is the satisfaction a good thing? Yes it is. If fulfills the wishes of your superego. In this case, your superego is telling that going beyond the fence is the best thing. Well, no qualms about that. The big question is: is your definition of the fence universal? I don't think so. Therefore, the real driving force behind your thoughts is not achieve satisfaction. It is an attempt to be a cut above the rest. As a consequence, you seek to dominate and convince us that we need to go beyond the fence. We will be super-humans. Well, nothing is entirely wrong with that. But there's a problem, isn't the wholesome acceptance of other people's ideas without carrying out a background check on how it fits in well with our wishes slavery? Slavery that you wish to end! I wonder how many feel dominated. But, it's not about 'we'. It's about 'I'. Domination is in those who have a 'we'. 'Freud-sons'. What is the 'Super ego'? What is the 'ego'? The 'id'? They are all one thing. That's why the psychoanalytic 'process' is 'valid'. I believe you can now see what being beyond the fence is. It is going beyond Freud and discovering that All are one. Are these values universal? Of course! Look at the myths of the world- the 'Super egos'. Tycho,you will have done justice to yourself and fellow bloggers on this forum if you provided a good rebuttal of the points I raised.
Again, it will be to the benefit of "philosophers" if you provided a clear thesis of your argument, and good points to support it.
Otherwise, I will assume that you do not know what it is that you assert, and therefore cannot stand your ground when confronted with divergent reasoning. Stop the escapism and man up! I see your point. Most sincere apologies. Let's start with what 'Freud says'. There's a 'personality'. Personality implies 'being'. And 'being' has three 'parts'. The 'id', the 'ego', and 'Super ego'. Now step back and see that Freud is giving us a 'metaphor' that 'dis-integrates' being into three. By Freud asserting that 'Where id is, ego must be' he is asking us to 'integrate' ourselves. Question; what are we to do with the 'Super ego'? Freud was simply asserting that one needed to use the light of the 'Super ego', via the ego, to 'reconcile' the 'id'. Being entails a struggle against the 'dark forces' of the 'Id'. When one 'overcomes' the 'id' with the 'light', then he/she is made 'whole'. The ego looks 'up' to the 'super ego' for 'help' on this 'task'. But the ego is always under the influence of the id. How can one succeed in the task? Through sacrificing the ego. The id is 'defeated'. Now there's freedom. No fence. The 'Psychoanalytic process' must be transcended. Is this a 'universal truth'? Look at the myths of the world, they resemble each other in above respect. Is this about 'domination' and 'Superiority'? No. It's about dancing with God. Being the wind.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Ante_Christa wrote:Ngong wrote:zero has value; a computer stores data in binary digits of 1 and 0.
So what was your question about zero again?
Exactly!
The presence and absence of,digitally speaking First the assertion 'zero is a number, also the number that is no number', mara 'zero is a number - a zero number'.... Then the mighty 180 degree turn around 'zero isn't about absence' ...... escapism as InnovateGuy aptly puts it. Both of you must have hoped that zero has no value. So that you could say it cannot be defined. So that you could say it has no boundary, no fence. What you earlier thought had no fence turns out to have one. It can be defined, delineated. You took a leap of faith, without making sure of the landing first. What else have you thought needs no fence that has turned out has one? And there is nothing you can do about it. If the final concession is still hard to come by after this, I understand. I wont push for it. InnovateGuy is asking for a clear thesis. I just want a demonstration. I am sure it will speak for itself to me better than you can ever explain. I see no 'turn around'. I'm on record as having said 'zero is a number', and numbers imply 'value'. And the value on focus is that of 'nothingness'. Zero, provides us with an analogy of what nothingness is. It has all the values for it is the 'origin'. When the value is too large, it approaches 'zero'. Why? Because of 'Operabilty'. 'Zero' is the inoperable that 'operates'. This is an analogy for all 'being'. And being the origin is at once being the fence, and 'no fence'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Ngong wrote:@Symbols come in,help a brother the long knives are drawn Long knives indeed. Interesting.
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