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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:chepkel wrote:tycho wrote:chepkel wrote:tycho wrote:
Why is dying for your country a virtue? Who, or what, are the Egyptians protesting against? Morsi? Mubarak? The army? The Islamists?
It's all a hoax. Dying for Egypt may mean killing the Ethiopians who are dying for Ethiopia. Dying for a country is dying for a barrier of selfish interest.
MAU MAU fighters and others who took part in the struggle for independence gave up their life, rights and freedom so that we could live in a just and free country!!! In deed its a virtue!!! So now you are living in a just and free country. That's why you think Kenyans are in a 'bad relationship'. Who, or what were the Mau Mau fighting against? An idea. Not white skin. They fought against the capitalist, and globalist idea. And how, and why did they fight this idea? The fight was for inclusion into the Capitalist and Global world. 'Independence' was 'assimilation'. And assimilation implies total 'surrender'. That is, we found justice by embracing what was previously 'unjust'. The Mau Mau are 'heroes' because their 'death' assuaged our collective conscience as we embraced what was initially revolting. Otherwise, why do you think the Mau Mau veterans have often complained of 'neglect'? Think about the recent case between the veterans and the British government. What was it really about? '50' years after the rebel won, we experience an event where the 'emancipated' is being compensated for his effort as a rebel by the former oppressor. That is, there's a struggle even now, in the collective subconscious. And as expected, the matter must be resolved by acting. The other day some veterans were asking to be compensated in Gold. And the drama continues in Tahrir and Wazua as 'revolutionaries' die in the hands of their 'greedy' and 'selfish' leaders. Am lost. You have used too many confusing words. Bottom line, people fight for freedom and justice...they may or may not get it, and that is why the fight still goes on. We would be sooo far behind if we did not have people who were brave enough to die for us. LOL! Ukijaribu kuelewa tycho utapata brain tumour. The dude brings up so many postulates you don't know which to respond to!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:simonkabz wrote:chepkel wrote:tycho wrote:chepkel wrote:tycho wrote:
Why is dying for your country a virtue? Who, or what, are the Egyptians protesting against? Morsi? Mubarak? The army? The Islamists?
It's all a hoax. Dying for Egypt may mean killing the Ethiopians who are dying for Ethiopia. Dying for a country is dying for a barrier of selfish interest.
MAU MAU fighters and others who took part in the struggle for independence gave up their life, rights and freedom so that we could live in a just and free country!!! In deed its a virtue!!! So now you are living in a just and free country. That's why you think Kenyans are in a 'bad relationship'. Who, or what were the Mau Mau fighting against? An idea. Not white skin. They fought against the capitalist, and globalist idea. And how, and why did they fight this idea? The fight was for inclusion into the Capitalist and Global world. 'Independence' was 'assimilation'. And assimilation implies total 'surrender'. That is, we found justice by embracing what was previously 'unjust'. The Mau Mau are 'heroes' because their 'death' assuaged our collective conscience as we embraced what was initially revolting. Otherwise, why do you think the Mau Mau veterans have often complained of 'neglect'? Think about the recent case between the veterans and the British government. What was it really about? '50' years after the rebel won, we experience an event where the 'emancipated' is being compensated for his effort as a rebel by the former oppressor. That is, there's a struggle even now, in the collective subconscious. And as expected, the matter must be resolved by acting. The other day some veterans were asking to be compensated in Gold. And the drama continues in Tahrir and Wazua as 'revolutionaries' die in the hands of their 'greedy' and 'selfish' leaders. Am lost. You have used too many confusing words. Bottom line, people fight for freedom and justice...they may or may not get it, and that is why the fight still goes on. We would be sooo far behind if we did not have people who were brave enough to die for us. LOL! Ukijaribu kuelewa tycho utapata brain tumour. The dude brings up so many postulates you don't know which to respond to!!!! Hehehe!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Tycho, akili miiiiiiingi sana huondoa maarifa ondo ondo. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,703
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People of Kenya, people of wazua, watch, listen and learn.
There is a military coup in Egypt. The military topples a democratically elected president. This is what the British say:
The foreign secretary said on Thursday that "political reality" dictated that the UK maintain ties with the new regime and insisted that the UK "recognises states not governments".
Just a few months ago Kenyans were getting ready to go the polls and elect a president of their choice:
The UK said it would maintain only essential contact if a certain candidate was elected. The US warned of consequences of making certain choices.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/26/2011 Posts: 759
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Like I have said before, alot of Kenyans don't get what Egyptians are looking for, Kenyans are always quick to align with their tribes and ignore their interest.
The brokest Kenyans are the loudest in defending the unfaithful leaders yet they struggle everyday to meet their daily needs thats something I will never understand. I watched a protester getting beaten infront of the president and thousands of people during the resent national holiday celebration, it was shocking to see other kenyans cheering the security guys and the president not saying a thing about it so it is understandable when kenyans don't get what egyptians are looking for, it will be maybe 50 yrs before we get to stand up like egyptians are doing right now.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/26/2011 Posts: 759
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Kusadikika wrote:People of Kenya, people of wazua, watch, listen and learn.
There is a military coup in Egypt. The military topples a democratically elected president. This is what the British say:
The foreign secretary said on Thursday that "political reality" dictated that the UK maintain ties with the new regime and insisted that the UK "recognises states not governments".
Just a few months ago Kenyans were getting ready to go the polls and elect a president of their choice:
The UK said it would maintain only essential contact if a certain candidate was elected. The US warned of consequences of making certain choices.
Do you know how stupid it is to elect someone facing charges of crime against humanity as a president and VP? You don't know because you are a Kenyan! Egyptian Millitary are aligning with the popular demands of the people, the demands that are shared by all free people of the world. Kenyans were aligning with suspect of the worst crimes known to mankind. The UK looked at everything and came up with their own conclusion.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/9/2012 Posts: 576
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McReggae wrote:Boniface Mwangi and Okiya Omtata need to travel to Egypt for internship!!!! No, Kenyans actually.our tolerance levels are extremely high.just see how governors are allocating fund's and no much public outcry Africa belongs to Africans.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Rollout wrote:Like I have said before, alot of Kenyans don't get what Egyptians are looking for, Kenyans are always quick to align with their tribes and ignore their interest.
The brokest Kenyans are the loudest in defending the unfaithful leaders yet they struggle everyday to meet their daily needs thats something I will never understand. I watched a protester getting beaten infront of the president and thousands of people during the resent national holiday celebration, it was shocking to see other kenyans cheering the security guys and the president not saying a thing about it so it is understandable when kenyans don't get what egyptians are looking for, it will be maybe 50 yrs before we get to stand up like egyptians are doing right now. Kaa huko na usirudi huku kenya. Hatutaki ushoga na upuzi wa mzungu hapa. Im ready to live with the choice of Kenyans. Why not yap about the thousands who died in Libya a while back courtesy of your president? TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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I don't think the issue in Egypt is democracy per say rather the bigger chunk of Egyptians feel economically deprived. Morsi was not so much concerned with wealth creation, rather he pushed his "Muslim brotherhood" agenda of making Egypt an islamic state. Its very difficult to change the culture of a people..more especially when they are hungry. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:I don't think the issue in Egypt is democracy per say rather the bigger chunk of Egyptians feel economically deprived. Morsi was not so much concerned with wealth creation, rather he pushed his "Muslim brotherhood" agenda of making Egypt an islamic state. Its very difficult to change the culture of a people..more especially when they are hungry. He flatly refused, even attempt to unite the country!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/26/2011 Posts: 759
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simonkabz wrote:Rollout wrote:Like I have said before, alot of Kenyans don't get what Egyptians are looking for, Kenyans are always quick to align with their tribes and ignore their interest.
The brokest Kenyans are the loudest in defending the unfaithful leaders yet they struggle everyday to meet their daily needs thats something I will never understand. I watched a protester getting beaten infront of the president and thousands of people during the resent national holiday celebration, it was shocking to see other kenyans cheering the security guys and the president not saying a thing about it so it is understandable when kenyans don't get what egyptians are looking for, it will be maybe 50 yrs before we get to stand up like egyptians are doing right now. Kaa huko na usirudi huku kenya. Hatutaki ushoga na upuzi wa mzungu hapa. Im ready to live with the choice of Kenyans. Why not yap about the thousands who died in Libya a while back courtesy of your president? Unfortunately, I have a larger stake in Kenya, people like you are just screwing the country yet they've invested coins that makes me mad.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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I maintain that whatever Morsi and The BRotherhood have done is a non-issue. The way of changing govt there is what is wrong and must be condemned. Remember Chief Moshood Abiola in Nigeria? Or Didier Ratsiraka in Madagascar? They were both elected but the army changed the govt. (in the case of Abiola, he didnt even gt to lead Nigeria). This is what I'm greatly opposed to. I dont like the whining too but it is army involvement that scares me most. See, some African states might follow suit and use the gun to oust elected govts. By the way, what we are cheering on is a bloody coup.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:Rollout wrote:Like I have said before, alot of Kenyans don't get what Egyptians are looking for, Kenyans are always quick to align with their tribes and ignore their interest.
The brokest Kenyans are the loudest in defending the unfaithful leaders yet they struggle everyday to meet their daily needs thats something I will never understand. I watched a protester getting beaten infront of the president and thousands of people during the resent national holiday celebration, it was shocking to see other kenyans cheering the security guys and the president not saying a thing about it so it is understandable when kenyans don't get what egyptians are looking for, it will be maybe 50 yrs before we get to stand up like egyptians are doing right now. Kaa huko na usirudi huku kenya. Hatutaki ushoga na upuzi wa mzungu hapa. Im ready to live with the choice of Kenyans. Why not yap about the thousands who died in Libya a while back courtesy of your president? This is in bad taste...to say the least. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 2,841 Location: Here
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Um Sayala wrote:Morsy "did not achieve the goals of the people" and failed to meet the generals' demands that he share power with his opposition, Egypt's top military officer, Gen. Abdel-Fatah El-Sisi, said in a televised speech to the nation.
You see, the Egyptian military is not like Kenyan or Other African(continent)Militaries. They control industries and thus almost 30% of the econony.
Wako among the 'people' who are not satisfied with Morsy, and have the means to say it.
Phew To add onto this, the Egyptian military receives US $ 1.4 billion from the U.S every year. Of this amount, US $1.2 billion goes directly to the military and the gov't has no control over it. Only about US $200 million is available to the gov't for it's other economic activities. That's according to AlJazeera today. Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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Rankaz13 wrote:
To add onto this, the Egyptian military receives US $ 1.4 billion from the U.S every year. Of this amount, US $1.2 billion goes directly to the military and the gov't has no control over it. Only about US $200 million is available to the gov't for it's other economic activities. That's according to AlJazeera today.
This Morsi fellow has been removed by Israel through the army and the rebel youth. He was becoming silly by his continued islamization tendencies. Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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just 1 question. what if the brotherhood wins the next elections? what then? coz if they are not banned from participating they may just win again. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:I maintain that whatever Morsi and The BRotherhood have done is a non-issue. The way of changing govt there is what is wrong and must be condemned. Remember Chief Moshood Abiola in Nigeria? Or Didier Ratsiraka in Madagascar? They were both elected but the army changed the govt. (in the case of Abiola, he didnt even gt to lead Nigeria). This is what I'm greatly opposed to. I dont like the whining too but it is army involvement that scares me most. See, some African states might follow suit and use the gun to oust elected govts. By the way, what we are cheering on is a bloody coup. Bloody coup, I'm not sure: The natural coup is when the forces overthrow the garment, with protestors full on the streets.......bigger than when Mubarak was getting ousted......this is a hybrid between revolution and a coup!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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bkismat wrote:just 1 question. what if the brotherhood wins the next elections? what then? coz if they are not banned from participating they may just win again. I doubt they will participate, so far it's like they gave democracy a chance and that's it!!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Is that the way it should be? Is that what should be done to a goverment, which probably does not deliver its promises within the period promised (say 100days) should be done? They should be ousted out through a COUP?
What happens to rule of law?
What happens to the goverment elected legally through democratic means?
I think we need to be careful...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:Is that the way it should be? Is that what should be done to a goverment, which probably does not deliver its promises within the period promised (say 100days) should be done? They should be ousted out through a COUP?
What happens to rule of law?
What happens to the goverment elected legally through democratic means?
I think we need to be careful... Egyptian army commander General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi delivered the pronouncement on national television and said the military had suspended the Constitution “provisionally” in order to sort out the crisis that has hit the country for the past ten days. Gen al-Sisi told Egyptians the army was meeting its “historic responsibility” to protect the country by ousting Mohammed Morsy, who was only voted in a year ago. possunt quia posse videntur
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