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Egypt Army gives Prezzo Mursi 48hrs to share power
Um Sayala
#61 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 8:23:14 AM
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Morsy "did not achieve the goals of the people" and failed to meet the generals' demands that he share power with his opposition, Egypt's top military officer, Gen. Abdel-Fatah El-Sisi, said in a televised speech to the nation.

You see, the Egyptian military is not like Kenyan or Other African(continent)Militaries. They control industries and thus almost 30% of the econony.
Wako among the 'people' who are not satisfied with Morsy, and have the means to say it.
Phew
"Peace is our profession, War is our business" ...Unknown
tycho
#62 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 8:26:13 AM
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There's this prediction by Oswaldo de Reviero that third world states would collapse one after the other ('The myth of development'), and my impression is that this is the case today.

Unless we rebel against rebellion, and find Revolution inwardly, in our ideas and cosmology, we will perish.
dunkang
#63 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 8:56:17 AM
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Like it or not, the Army and the Tamarod youths (rebels) are being used by an outside force, most probably Israel. Morsi has been trending on a very dangerous line by been fooled by the radical islamist preachers that he can do it without the 'dirty' copts and atheists.

In a nation of more than 20% non muslims, you can't force an islamism agenda in the constitution, parliament, employment etc. For that, he had to go. Minority Rights!

Wierdly, Saudi Arabia has congratulated the move whilst US of A has condemned the coup. I expected the opposite.

Morsi is a professor in Civil Engineering. So education is not whats lacking here.
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

guru267
#64 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 9:30:44 AM
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The youth of today are too militant for governments to play around with!
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chepkel
#65 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 9:30:56 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
@Rollout, Egyptians are celebrating? Are you sure? Then why do we have rival rallies? I would say Egypt is split in the middle along pro/anti Morsi lines. I have serious misgivings about the brotherhood because of the way they mistreat my fellow Christians but that doesn't justify chaos and armed forces involvement in political process. If you make rules, live by them. And don't mistake it, the Mugabes of these world have popular support in their countries. It may sound stupid for one to back the geezer but that's democracy for you..


It is not split in the middle at all!!! the anti Morsi people cannot be compared to those supporting Morsi. On June 30th, Tahrir Square and Sidi gaber area of Alexandria was filled with more people as compared to the January 25th revolution when the Egyptians were trying to oust Mubarak.

Sadly, at the time of Elections, the Egyptian people had only 2 choices; the Islamic brotherhood or former staunch Mubarak supporters.
Mursi made many promises and highly appealed to the masses, especially the low class and uneducated people, who form a large percentage of the Egyptian population. The educated people were against him because they feared what Islamist extremist would do to their country.

Anyway, I admire Egyptians because they are tired of being steeped on. In as much as the economy was good during the Mubarak time, it did not trickle down to the people. Poverty levels are high, education is shit and corruption is high. Egyptians are tired of people making promises and delivering shit at the end of it and that is why they are complaining.

Nevertheless, a huge percentage of the people are against violence and would like a peaceful process.

I admire them for that. Unfortunately Kenyans will take shit from small timers like MPigs for years and years!!! We like being in Bad relationships, its like we cant function without being beaten.
chepkel
#66 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 9:34:34 AM
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tycho wrote:


Why is dying for your country a virtue? Who, or what, are the Egyptians protesting against? Morsi? Mubarak? The army? The Islamists?

It's all a hoax. Dying for Egypt may mean killing the Ethiopians who are dying for Ethiopia. Dying for a country is dying for a barrier of selfish interest.


MAU MAU fighters and others who took part in the struggle for independence gave up their life, rights and freedom so that we could live in a just and free country!!!

In deed its a virtue!!!
McReggae
#67 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 9:49:38 AM
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IF you it yourself.......don't blame the outside influnce, otherwise you confirm hao ndio mababa zenu!!!!
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Amores
#68 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 10:12:50 AM
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dunkang wrote:
Like it or not, the Army and the Tamarod youths (rebels) are being used by an outside force, most probably Israel. Morsi has been trending on a very dangerous line by been fooled by the radical islamist preachers that he can do it without the 'dirty' copts and atheists.

In a nation of more than 20% non muslims, you can't force an islamism agenda in the constitution, parliament, employment etc. For that, he had to go. Minority Rights!

Wierdly, Saudi Arabia has congratulated the move whilst US of A has condemned the coup. I expected the opposite.

Morsi is a professor in Civil Engineering. So education is not whats lacking here.


This is exactly what i was telling another mzungu who was trying to tell me about democracy and rule of law yada yada bullshit.When people put you in power,you have to be careful what you do with it and respect all people including minorities.While i may not support the coup( maybe i do),i think this sends a message.

These guys maybe not be divided right down the middle,Morsi may even have more supporters ( political Islam) but countries need to move beyond nonsense. We need to borrow a few Egyptians to come and help those guys of Occupy parliament guys( since all we do is tweet from our Toyotas),because we complain,but then align ourselves along party lines,when elected leaders continue to screw the country- across the political divide.

I am happy
chepkel
#69 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 10:18:30 AM
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Amores wrote:


This is exactly what i was telling another mzungu who was trying to tell me about democracy and rule of law yada yada bullshit.When people put you in power,you have to be careful what you do with it and respect all people including minorities.While i may not support the coup( maybe i do),i think this sends a message.

These guys maybe not be divided right down the middle,Morsi may even have more supporters ( political Islam) but countries need to move beyond nonsense. We need to borrow a few Egyptians to come and help those guys of Occupy parliament guys( since all we do is tweet from our Toyotas),because we complain,but then align ourselves along party lines,when elected leaders continue to screw the country- across the political divide.



Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause

Kenyans complain and complain and complain but never do anything about anything....
McReggae
#70 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 10:19:21 AM
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Boniface Mwangi and Okiya Omtata need to travel to Egypt for internship!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
tycho
#71 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 11:49:44 AM
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chepkel wrote:
tycho wrote:


Why is dying for your country a virtue? Who, or what, are the Egyptians protesting against? Morsi? Mubarak? The army? The Islamists?

It's all a hoax. Dying for Egypt may mean killing the Ethiopians who are dying for Ethiopia. Dying for a country is dying for a barrier of selfish interest.


MAU MAU fighters and others who took part in the struggle for independence gave up their life, rights and freedom so that we could live in a just and free country!!!

In deed its a virtue!!!


So now you are living in a just and free country.

That's why you think Kenyans are in a 'bad relationship'.

Who, or what were the Mau Mau fighting against? An idea. Not white skin. They fought against the capitalist, and globalist idea. And how, and why did they fight this idea?

The fight was for inclusion into the Capitalist and Global world. 'Independence' was 'assimilation'. And assimilation implies total 'surrender'.

That is, we found justice by embracing what was previously 'unjust'. The Mau Mau are 'heroes' because their 'death' assuaged our collective conscience as we embraced what was initially revolting.

Otherwise, why do you think the Mau Mau veterans have often complained of 'neglect'?

Think about the recent case between the veterans and the British government. What was it really about?

'50' years after the rebel won, we experience an event where the 'emancipated' is being compensated for his effort as a rebel by the former oppressor. That is, there's a struggle even now, in the collective subconscious. And as expected, the matter must be resolved by acting. The other day some veterans were asking to be compensated in Gold.

And the drama continues in Tahrir and Wazua as 'revolutionaries' die in the hands of their 'greedy' and 'selfish' leaders.

urstill
#72 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 12:46:04 PM
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Out kabisaaa!!
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chepkel
#73 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 12:55:49 PM
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tycho wrote:
chepkel wrote:
tycho wrote:


Why is dying for your country a virtue? Who, or what, are the Egyptians protesting against? Morsi? Mubarak? The army? The Islamists?

It's all a hoax. Dying for Egypt may mean killing the Ethiopians who are dying for Ethiopia. Dying for a country is dying for a barrier of selfish interest.


MAU MAU fighters and others who took part in the struggle for independence gave up their life, rights and freedom so that we could live in a just and free country!!!

In deed its a virtue!!!


So now you are living in a just and free country.

That's why you think Kenyans are in a 'bad relationship'.

Who, or what were the Mau Mau fighting against? An idea. Not white skin. They fought against the capitalist, and globalist idea. And how, and why did they fight this idea?

The fight was for inclusion into the Capitalist and Global world. 'Independence' was 'assimilation'. And assimilation implies total 'surrender'.

That is, we found justice by embracing what was previously 'unjust'. The Mau Mau are 'heroes' because their 'death' assuaged our collective conscience as we embraced what was initially revolting.

Otherwise, why do you think the Mau Mau veterans have often complained of 'neglect'?

Think about the recent case between the veterans and the British government. What was it really about?

'50' years after the rebel won, we experience an event where the 'emancipated' is being compensated for his effort as a rebel by the former oppressor. That is, there's a struggle even now, in the collective subconscious. And as expected, the matter must be resolved by acting. The other day some veterans were asking to be compensated in Gold.

And the drama continues in Tahrir and Wazua as 'revolutionaries' die in the hands of their 'greedy' and 'selfish' leaders.



Am lost. You have used too many confusing words.

Bottom line, people fight for freedom and justice...they may or may not get it, and that is why the fight still goes on.

We would be sooo far behind if we did not have people who were brave enough to die for us.
tycho
#74 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 1:43:40 PM
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chepkel wrote:
tycho wrote:
chepkel wrote:
tycho wrote:


Why is dying for your country a virtue? Who, or what, are the Egyptians protesting against? Morsi? Mubarak? The army? The Islamists?

It's all a hoax. Dying for Egypt may mean killing the Ethiopians who are dying for Ethiopia. Dying for a country is dying for a barrier of selfish interest.


MAU MAU fighters and others who took part in the struggle for independence gave up their life, rights and freedom so that we could live in a just and free country!!!

In deed its a virtue!!!


So now you are living in a just and free country.

That's why you think Kenyans are in a 'bad relationship'.

Who, or what were the Mau Mau fighting against? An idea. Not white skin. They fought against the capitalist, and globalist idea. And how, and why did they fight this idea?

The fight was for inclusion into the Capitalist and Global world. 'Independence' was 'assimilation'. And assimilation implies total 'surrender'.

That is, we found justice by embracing what was previously 'unjust'. The Mau Mau are 'heroes' because their 'death' assuaged our collective conscience as we embraced what was initially revolting.

Otherwise, why do you think the Mau Mau veterans have often complained of 'neglect'?

Think about the recent case between the veterans and the British government. What was it really about?

'50' years after the rebel won, we experience an event where the 'emancipated' is being compensated for his effort as a rebel by the former oppressor. That is, there's a struggle even now, in the collective subconscious. And as expected, the matter must be resolved by acting. The other day some veterans were asking to be compensated in Gold.

And the drama continues in Tahrir and Wazua as 'revolutionaries' die in the hands of their 'greedy' and 'selfish' leaders.



Am lost. You have used too many confusing words.

Bottom line, people fight for freedom and justice...they may or may not get it, and that is why the fight still goes on.

We would be sooo far behind if we did not have people who were brave enough to die for us.


Lol.

Bottom line is the fight is misguided.
chepkel
#75 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 1:56:23 PM
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tycho wrote:


Lol.

Bottom line is the fight is misguided.


Aaaahhhh!!!

Okay, which fight exactly do you find misguided???
McReggae
#76 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 2:06:58 PM
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chepkel wrote:
tycho wrote:


Lol.

Bottom line is the fight is misguided.


Aaaahhhh!!!

Okay, which fight exactly do you find misguided???



I think it's man-god who is misguided!!!!!
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quicksand
#77 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 2:20:21 PM
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Slippery slope ....and if down the line it turns out to be self-serving, selfish Army, who will depose it?
It is not an Army's place to depose a democratically elected president, that is indiscipline, a power grab and taking a sh*t on people's constitutional rights. Morsi may have been lost and misguided but some rules are inviolate, armies are there to protect against foreign aggression (or suppress civil war), not to assume powers of the electorate.
Egypt has just stepped back 50 years.
Perhaps that is good for Kenya, time to rise as an African power to be reckoned with.
tycho
#78 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 2:33:39 PM
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chepkel wrote:
tycho wrote:


Lol.

Bottom line is the fight is misguided.


Aaaahhhh!!!

Okay, which fight exactly do you find misguided???


The fight against symbols. Lol. How did the iconoclasts fare?
tycho
#79 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 3:15:47 PM
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McReggae wrote:
chepkel wrote:
tycho wrote:


Lol.

Bottom line is the fight is misguided.


Aaaahhhh!!!

Okay, which fight exactly do you find misguided???



I think it's man-god who is misguided!!!!!


Of course we seem to be pulling in different directions, but that is the easiest way to sink.

But whose interest are we fighting for? 'The people'? Are we representatives? What about the self?

Sun Tzu asks us to know ourselves as well as our enemies; what question should follow? 'Who am I' or 'Who are we'?

Certainly the two are vital questions, but the most basic is 'who am I'?

'I am'. The name that can't be named.

Who, or what's my enemy? I have no enemies. I belong to everything, and everything, belongs to me.

I am Mubarak; I am Che. I am all history.

I am my enemy.

The greatest general is he who wins the enemy over. Sun Tzu tells us. How can this be, if I am not reconciled to myself?

The Egyptians aren't the only ones who feel oppressed. Poverty and oppression are a global 'fact'. By embracing names and symbols the 'revolutionary' loses the cause. For his identity is 'disintegrated' and he creates false enemies, and becomes blind.

Revolution has peace as its fruit. Revolutionary wind is peaceful wind.

Freedom, wholeness, and happiness everywhere. From Libya to Madagascar.

simonkabz
#80 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 3:45:24 PM
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chepkel wrote:
tycho wrote:
chepkel wrote:
tycho wrote:


Why is dying for your country a virtue? Who, or what, are the Egyptians protesting against? Morsi? Mubarak? The army? The Islamists?

It's all a hoax. Dying for Egypt may mean killing the Ethiopians who are dying for Ethiopia. Dying for a country is dying for a barrier of selfish interest.


MAU MAU fighters and others who took part in the struggle for independence gave up their life, rights and freedom so that we could live in a just and free country!!!

In deed its a virtue!!!


So now you are living in a just and free country.

That's why you think Kenyans are in a 'bad relationship'.

Who, or what were the Mau Mau fighting against? An idea. Not white skin. They fought against the capitalist, and globalist idea. And how, and why did they fight this idea?

The fight was for inclusion into the Capitalist and Global world. 'Independence' was 'assimilation'. And assimilation implies total 'surrender'.

That is, we found justice by embracing what was previously 'unjust'. The Mau Mau are 'heroes' because their 'death' assuaged our collective conscience as we embraced what was initially revolting.

Otherwise, why do you think the Mau Mau veterans have often complained of 'neglect'?

Think about the recent case between the veterans and the British government. What was it really about?

'50' years after the rebel won, we experience an event where the 'emancipated' is being compensated for his effort as a rebel by the former oppressor. That is, there's a struggle even now, in the collective subconscious. And as expected, the matter must be resolved by acting. The other day some veterans were asking to be compensated in Gold.

And the drama continues in Tahrir and Wazua as 'revolutionaries' die in the hands of their 'greedy' and 'selfish' leaders.



Am lost. You have used too many confusing words.

Bottom line, people fight for freedom and justice...they may or may not get it, and that is why the fight still goes on.

We would be sooo far behind if we did not have people who were brave enough to die for us.


LOL! Ukijaribu kuelewa tycho utapata brain tumour.
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