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Konza City. Whats the progress so far?
a4architect.com
#51 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:22:20 PM
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The laptop issue is ok. The cost however need to come much lower.
There are 1m std 1 kids in Kenya.
A kindle costs say kes 2,000 landed in Nairobi.

http://www.alibaba.com/p...indle_ebook_reader.html

Multiply 1m x kes 2,000=kes 2billion.
It will cost kes 2B to supply kindles. How is Govt getting their 53B?

As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
Alba
#52 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:26:36 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
On the std 1 laptops, this will become the single most important gesture by Govt to reduce unemployment.

By letting all kenyan kids get to understand computers,majority of these kids will start competing with the best all ove rthe world.
In China, a std 4 kid can create a solar cell or a microchip. In Kenya, a university trained electrical engineer cant create such.
With computer knowledge, the kids in Samburu, Turkana, Lamu , Migingo etc will now be able to compete on an equal platform with other kids in private schools and international level.
Once these kids get to std 8, they can still increase their knowledge acquisition without lecturers.

By the time i graduated from UoN with a Bachelor of Architecture degree in 2001, computers were rare and beginning to creep into Nairobi.
At graduation, i knew less than the average fundi on the hands on approach in construction due to poor university teaching techniques. With use of the internet, not lecturers, i was able to teach myself more, get international work experience in Botswana, Rwanda, South Sudan, Zimbabwe etc.
All these opportunities couldn't have come to me without the power of the computer.


You are sorely mistaken. Laptops in standard one will not make Kenyans more qualified. Kwani what is so special about a mere laptop that will suddenly make Kenyan kids capable of creating a solar cell or a micro-chip ?

And Im sorry but most of these kids dont have the technical acumen to start inventing solar cells as you claim.

Secondly if Kenya wants to create graduates who are at par with those in China then they should focus their efforts at places like UoN and at national schools like Alliance and such. These are the places where government should focus on upgrading facilities because to put simply, this is where the brains are. Giving lap tops to all standard one kids many of whom will end up being manambas and shamba-boys is a waste. Heck even in China, the vast majority do not become scientists. The govt must channel its resources appropriately.

Not every Kenyan kid will get a white collar job when they grow up. Other talents need to be enocuraged including jobs like carpentry, sewing and even sports and music.

Thirdly I am worried that this whole lap top mambo is to give tender business to one of Ruto or Uhuru's cohorts. Remember how one of Michuki's business sidekicks supplied seat belts for matatus. This may be another kusema na ku-tender scam.


And fourthly, I strongly believe that many of these laps tops will be stolen by teachers and end up being sold on the black market.

alma
#53 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:32:28 PM
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a4a you are slowly sounding like someone who wants the contracts to come to Kenyans not solving the problem.

I'll tell you a story.

Some guy decided to setup a website to sell his products. So he went and hired the most expensive designer for his website.

Another fellow decided to setup a website but he didn't have any money. So he built his.

5 months later, guy A was not making any money, but guy B had got enough money from his website to build one just as expensive as guy A

8 months later guy A was very categorical saying that websites don't make money and Kenyans don't use the internet.

Guy B was too busy getting work that he had to hire others to do his work.

The problem was not the website. read laptop, Konza

The problem was that Guy B knew how to market and he only used his website as a tool to do whatever he does on the ground faster and more efficiently.

Guy A on the other hand thought that building a website, would solve ALL his problems.

The above are true stories and if you wish I can send you the data and the fellows can talk to you.

When guy A decided to invest in tech, he thought it would solve all his problems. But tech doesn't solve problems. People do. People can use tech to solve problems but tech will never solve a problem.

When the guys who came up with a laptop can explain in 3 sentences what problem they are trying to solve I will listen to them.

Thus far, these laptops are only meant to

1. make kenya look cool
2. pretend that we know algebra
3. prove a political statement

Exactly what education problem are laptops supposed to solve?

Just look at wazua. Grown men and women with access to laptops and you can see the standards of our discussions. Go to facebook, twitter etc

Just because a fellow has a laptop, does not make him sharp.

But true education does and always will.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
a4architect.com
#54 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:35:25 PM
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@alma. Check this video below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=526xslmO6Ds

Its about how to make a simple solar cell.

Now picture a Kid in Turkana checking out this video on their 2,000kes kindle.

They can then learn to make a simple solar cell and help themselves out of poverry.
Such info is not in any school carriculum.
The idea is for these kids to teach themselves.

Its easier for kids to learn through the net than wait for their teachers who are mostly analogue. Same situation extends till kenyan universities.
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
alma
#55 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:44:03 PM
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@a4

I have no doubt in my mind that a child of 5 years can make anything he wishes to. But there has to be an education first.

I can promise you and even bet you that this kid did not build this because he had a laptop. But because he learned about solar energy and the basics of electricity.

Just like the young Kenyan lad who's sold his motor bike to build his helicopter.

You should listen to the guy talk about capacitors.

He doesn't have a laptop.

Education is the key and there is no way around it. I have lived with some neighbours who's kids are actually developing these ps3 games. They are 14 years old.

But I can assure you, it was not the computer. When the kids take a pen to paper and you dwell on a mathematical equation, you then realise that the homeschooling their parents did was not in vain.

Laptops make Kenyans feel horny.

I'll repeat.

The word computer and Laptop makes a Kenyan feel horny as hell.

The problem is that his mind is shitty. He only uses his laptop to go to online brothels.

Let's get the education standards back to where they were. It's that simple. So that when you give your child a laptop, he's using it to make that kind of transistor not watching porn, going to mashada and poking people on facebook.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
a4architect.com
#56 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:44:50 PM
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@alma.Lets agree that the kindles/laptops will help some of the kids to gather more info than thru the usual analogue textbook means.
Here am speaking thru experience. A std 1 kid with access to the net is light years ahead compared to one without it.
My std 1 son can navigate a comp better than i can and no one taught him how to.
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
Alba
#57 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:54:22 PM
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A standard one pupil will have the drive and determination to get himself out of poverty ? Do you actually believe this stuff or are you just desperate to justify anything jubilee does ?

Swali tu.

Please think critically. Theres no doubt that standard one kids like lap tops just like any other toys.

But creativeness and determination is born out of desperation. Most standard one kids don't even have a concept of what poverty is. The chance that a standard one kid will get himself out of poverty because of these lap tops is as good as a snowballs chance in hell. Its virtually zero.



alma
#58 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:59:08 PM
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@a4 i have used ghafla as a case study. The next case study is YOU.

Believe it or not you are a case study on using IT. Yet your website is one of the worst websites I have ever seen. Honestly. And I think you know that too.

But look at your thread on Ask the architect.

I found that thread when I was not in Kenya and would read it over and over again. You had a horrible website ( read no laptop) but your information ( read knowledge and information) was there for us to see.

You have built your business through IT but the IT would have been useless if you did not come out as someone who knows what they are doing.

I know there are some architects who hate you. But the fact of the matter is that you marketed yourself to death even if your IT skills were horrible.

It's the same story with these kids. As long as the fellow doesn't know that A is for Apple and B is for dog not Burukenge, that laptop is useless. It will be used for every other reason other than learning algebra.

Our education system is not failing because of lack of tech. It's failing simply because tisha wanjiku on Churchill is really not a joke but a real life experience.

Let us not mix IT with learning.

Worse, lets not mix computers in gov't with corruption free zones. A corrupt person will only use the computer to make his corruption faster and more efficient.

Our standard 1 kids don't need laptops, they need to learn and get a decent education.

As we speak, I think you know that our education system has been failing each and every year. Laptops won't solve that.

Just as Konza won't suddenly make Kenyans sharp and computer geniouses. In fact, Konza will make every Kenyan an employee of a call center based in Ghana and India.

This I promise you.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
limanika
#59 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 7:01:58 PM
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They said the aim was to expose kids to computers early and possibly get them interested in technology. Whatever they meant by technology. In my own assessment, the program is not SMART- How will the program proceed to make any of the kids become the local Steve Jobs? I know not of any country that was developed by groping in the dark / by programmes whose impact is immeasurable at the start. To develop a country, you must clearly see the end from the beginning, and know the means to get there. How useful is a computer without internet and a printer? Who will give these kids money to pay for air time so they can access internet? How many kids entering class one today translate into high school and University? How many kids in class eight today can speak fluent English?
If we must take laptops to basic schools, it would be better to build one computer lab per school, equip with say 20-30 laptops or so which can be used by every grade. A kid need not more than one ‘computer’ lesson per week. What will a kid who can’t write a composition use computer for 24-7?
dunkang
#60 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 7:08:02 PM
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Laptops for kids is a useless project. If they want a breed of computer hackers, train those in high school, not kindergateners.

Konza project, another nonsensical project. You want technology companies to invest here, provide basic infrastructure in existing towns and cities cheaply and sustainably.

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