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Konza City. Whats the progress so far?
murchr
#41 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 4:41:58 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
Land price is kes 200m per acre in Bangalore Electronic city.

http://pricetrends.makaa...pf=1&pt=3&tm=12

Compare this to Konza at 2 to 4m per acre.

This means that major ICT players are not inhibited by high land price so they can also afford Upper Hill with 200 to 300 m per acre prices.


Excuse me sir but surely, isn't upperhill a disaster waiting to happen? Look at how blocks and blocks of building are mashrooming everywhere yet there's no expansion of roads etc i even wonder where the parking spaces will be - uhurupark?

2ndly, these companies arent interested in land..rather space is there space in upperhill that can house 20 companies with a potential of housing 200 people each? Am not seeing it
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limanika
#42 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:11:07 PM
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Please wake up to the reality that some people will always argue in support of Konza,no need thus to waste time and bandwidth debating merits and demerits of Konza. The people I expect will always go to any lengths to defend Konza are:
• People who have bought land near Konza for speculation purposes
• People who think they have an opportunity to reap big from construction / planning contracts.
Note that those countries that have developed similar cities (India, S. Africa, US, etc.) were not in our league when they developed their plans. None of them exports unprocessed raw materials for instance. All of them have reasonably well developed infrastructure – road, rail, energy. You cannot ‘copy’ a city in India and ‘paste’ in Ukambani. We need to sort out the basics first.
murchr
#43 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:18:18 PM
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limanika wrote:
Please wake up to the reality that some people will always argue in support of Konza,no need thus to waste time and bandwidth debating merits and demerits of Konza. The people I expect will always go to any lengths to defend Konza are:
• People who have bought land near Konza for speculation purposes
• People who think they have an opportunity to reap big from construction / planning contracts.
Note that those countries that have developed similar cities (India, S. Africa, US, etc.) were not in our league when they developed their plans. None of them exports unprocessed raw materials for instance. All of them have reasonably well developed infrastructure – road, rail, energy. You cannot ‘copy’ a city in India and ‘paste’ in Ukambani. We need to sort out the basics first.


I suppose that means infrastructure right?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Gathige
#44 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:18:26 PM
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limanika wrote:
Please wake up to the reality that some people will always argue in support of Konza,no need thus to waste time and bandwidth debating merits and demerits of Konza. The people I expect will always go to any lengths to defend Konza are:
• People who have bought land near Konza for speculation purposes
• People who think they have an opportunity to reap big from construction / planning contracts.
Note that those countries that have developed similar cities (India, S. Africa, US, etc.) were not in our league when they developed their plans. None of them exports unprocessed raw materials for instance. All of them have reasonably well developed infrastructure – road, rail, energy. You cannot ‘copy’ a city in India and ‘paste’ in Ukambani. We need to sort out the basics first.

@limanika, Good point. The same people opposing the laptop for school children as a waste of money are the same supporting Konza. The acts and deeds are worlds apart. The machakos City will soon overshadow Konza as they are rivaling for resources and the county may have more mileage over the National Govt in that case.
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alma
#45 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:34:19 PM
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Gathige wrote:
limanika wrote:
Please wake up to the reality that some people will always argue in support of Konza,no need thus to waste time and bandwidth debating merits and demerits of Konza. The people I expect will always go to any lengths to defend Konza are:
• People who have bought land near Konza for speculation purposes
• People who think they have an opportunity to reap big from construction / planning contracts.
Note that those countries that have developed similar cities (India, S. Africa, US, etc.) were not in our league when they developed their plans. None of them exports unprocessed raw materials for instance. All of them have reasonably well developed infrastructure – road, rail, energy. You cannot ‘copy’ a city in India and ‘paste’ in Ukambani. We need to sort out the basics first.

@limanika, Good point. The same people opposing the laptop for school children as a waste of money are the same supporting Konza. The acts and deeds are worlds apart. The machakos City will soon overshadow Konza as they are rivaling for resources and the county may have more mileage over the National Govt in that case.


That may not be entirely true.

The truth of the matter whether people want to hear it or not is

1. Laptops will become a bigger white elephant than Turkwell dam

2. Konza will have no equal in failed cities in the whole world.

Unless you think that the world has time to wait for Kenyan children to be educated for the next 14 years and houses to be built in never never land, then you know you are smoking something.

Technology waits not for you to be educated nor for you to build a house. It will be too late.

There is a group of us who know that the problem in Kenya is infrastructure and working systems. Not hardware. After all, we get new cars on the road and people are still dying. The new car never saved their lives.

It's infrastructure, people and systems. Nothing more and nothing less.

I have seen nothing coming from gov't explaining how infrastructure is going to be improved. And I don't mean roads with loans. I mean in my kashags there is cable and cheap working internet connectivity.

I have seen nothing from gov't explaining how our students are going to be tech savvy. Just some ihub ngo creating "aps" for safaricom. I mean facilitating the sharp techies we have in kenya with loans, right now not in Konza

I have seen nothing in gov't that encourages small business growth. Still takes 2 months to have your company registered, 1 year to be vat certified, 1 million years to qualify for a tender if you don't know xxxxxx

But its ok to dream. So I'll quietly move to the dream thread.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
a4architect.com
#46 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:36:14 PM
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@Gathige..very true. Any reasonable investor will choose Machakos or Kajiado over Konza any time.

If he is not restrained by finances, he will choose areas near CBD such as Karen, Gigiri, Upper Hill, Muthaiga, or along Thika road.
As it is, Konza subscribers are at 80% local. Am sure these local must be entities related to Ministry of ICT mainly to tag along and make Konza look like it has subscribers but in reality, will not invest a dime there.
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
a4architect.com
#47 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:47:38 PM
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On the std 1 laptops, this will become the single most important gesture by Govt to reduce unemployment.

By letting all kenyan kids get to understand computers,majority of these kids will start competing with the best all ove rthe world.
In China, a std 4 kid can create a solar cell or a microchip. In Kenya, a university trained electrical engineer cant create such.
With computer knowledge, the kids in Samburu, Turkana, Lamu , Migingo etc will now be able to compete on an equal platform with other kids in private schools and international level.
Once these kids get to std 8, they can still increase their knowledge acquisition without lecturers.

By the time i graduated from UoN with a Bachelor of Architecture degree in 2001, computers were rare and beginning to creep into Nairobi.
At graduation, i knew less than the average fundi on the hands on approach in construction due to poor university teaching techniques. With use of the internet, not lecturers, i was able to teach myself more, get international work experience in Botswana, Rwanda, South Sudan, Zimbabwe etc.
All these opportunities couldn't have come to me without the power of the computer.
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
murchr
#48 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:58:35 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
On the std 1 laptops, this will become the single most important gesture by Govt to reduce unemployment.

By letting all kenyan kids get to understand computers,majority of these kids will start competing with the best all ove rthe world.
In China, a std 4 kid can create a solar cell or a microchip. In Kenya, a university trained electrical engineer cant create such.
With computer knowledge, the kids in Samburu, Turkana, Lamu , Migingo etc will now be able to compete on an equal platform with other kids in private schools and international level.
Once these kids get to std 8, they can still increase their knowledge acquisition without lecturers.

By the time i graduated from UoN with a Bachelor of Architecture degree in 2001, computers were rare and beginning to creep into Nairobi.
At graduation, i knew less than the average fundi on the hands on approach in construction due to poor university teaching techniques. With use of the internet, not lecturers, i was able to teach myself more, get international work experience in Botswana, Rwanda, South Sudan, Zimbabwe etc.
All these opportunities couldn't have come to me without the power of the computer.


Its interesting you support the laptop project but who is likely to employ these lads and ladies upon graduation? ... Are we setting ourselves up for brain drain later?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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dunkang
#49 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:13:04 PM
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Konza and Kids laptops are a waste of resources.

Its not lack 'office space' or know how. Its the never ending corruption in the GoK that denies an able worker an opportunity and the chance is sold to a friend, relative, classmate, mheshimiwa's kids etc.
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

alma
#50 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:15:58 PM
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To some what I'm about to say may seem contrary to what I write on wazua. but it isn't

Those saying that laptops for 6 year olds are going to help this country in 14 years are totally lost and don't understand how online business and IT works.

It is not about IT its about time. Everyone can calculate how many cows they have and how much profit they expect to make 10 years from now considering costs and profit margins.

However, one person will use sticks drawn on the ground and another will use excell.

One person is coming up with decisions faster. It's not that one is sharper than the other.

Our children will not become computer gurus because they have a laptop when they are 6 years. They will become computer gurus because they got a good education. I know of very stupid jungus and their having laptops when young could not hide the fact that they didn't understand the elements of algebra.

The gov't is behaving like the guy who knows that it is important to have sharp kids so his solution is to sleep with every girl in the village instead of teaching 2 children to be very sharp.

I am sorry. Just because you have a laptop does not mean you can make a computer program.

The situation is made worse by the fact the person supposed to learn how to use the laptop is going to be taught by a person who has never seen a laptop.

If the plan is to solve the education system. The solution is not buying hardware but investing in the education system.

This situation is made worse by the fact that technology doesn't wait for you to have 16 meetings and 10 years to become sharp.

Case study is ghafla.com

Whether Kenyans know it or not, this is a success story that all our kids in school should be taught over and over again.

Ok I know. In one post I say they suck and in this I say they are great.

The guys of ghafla did not wait for tech to come to them they went out and did it. As the gov't was busy building konza dreams and laptop fantasies, these guys have gone ahead and captured the attention of every hormone driven teen in the country.

I guess we should have told them to wait first to get a 10gb serve with 20TB upspeeds before they started.

Laptops are putting the solution to the education system in hardware rather than concentrating on having people why 1 to the power of 3 plus 1 to the power of 2 is not the same as 1 + 1.

Laptops will never solve that. Good teachers will.

Just the same way as big buildings will never make us tech savvy but people will.

Whilst Kenya was building houses in Konza, Ghafla was building a tech and media empire. You tell me how that divide will look like 12 years from now when laptop kis are going to college and Konza is renting its first shop space.

Time is what IT buys. We are busy buying laptops and houses.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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