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Imanyara...I support you
Shak
#1 Posted : Monday, August 10, 2009 8:07:00 AM
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This bill on the special tribunal looks like the way to go. I see many mps supporting it even cabinet ministers. That the president will be stripped of immunity and have no influence over the tribunal is absolutely perfect. I pray the Hon. Succeeds in this timely venture

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MADE
#2 Posted : Monday, August 10, 2009 10:46:00 AM
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For justice to be seen to be done for the PEV victims (includes yu n me) I morally back the Bill to the letter and spirit.

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Njunge
#3 Posted : Monday, August 10, 2009 10:53:00 AM
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I can't comment before i read it to the letter even though i would trust Imanyara to come up with something fairly acceptable by Kenyans and the world at large.........Maybe we could start with a link to the draft.......on the flipside,would the bill entail a constitutional change and thus 2/3 mpigs for it or it's a simple majority motion?.

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MADE
#4 Posted : Monday, August 10, 2009 11:55:00 AM
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The proposed tribunal Bill says no official is immune from prosecution. Under the Constitution,the President cannot be prosecuted while in office.
The draft Bill also strips the President of his powers to pardon any person who has been found guilty by the tribunal.
The AG will also not be allowed to use his powers of nolle prosequi - to discontinue a case- against any person facing charges before the tribunal. Similarly,judges of the High Court and magistrates are barred from issuing any injunctions against the proceedings before the tribunal.


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Shak
#5 Posted : Monday, August 10, 2009 11:59:00 AM
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If i heard correctly,the draft bill will be made available over the internet on wednesday. The public will have the opportunity to give their views on areas of improvement

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Njunge
#6 Posted : Monday, August 10, 2009 12:50:00 PM
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@Shak,
That would be very noble.

@Made,
Stripping the president and the AG powers might involve changing parts of the constitution......if that be the case,it might as well be a long shot but i stand to be collected........If i heard lawyer Ndung'u very well,the bill proposes that two thirds of the investigators,prosecutors and judges shall come from outside.That would be sweet even though i would wish that court sessions be held in a neutral African country.....Akin to the Rwandan tribunal.

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MADE
#7 Posted : Monday, August 10, 2009 1:31:00 PM
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@Njung'e -
The unfortunate thing is that juz as Karua's Bill flopped in February,so may this one also as marshalling 145 pro Mps is no joke. The Imanyara group is well aware of this......meaning the matter might ultimately be left to ICC,which is still a welcome move to the group. However most Mps are now saying they shot down Karua's Bill becoz it lacked the clauses input by Imanyara. Take note that Mutula, Wako and Orengo had drafted this same bill that the Cabinet rejected,that's why it will be brought up as a private member's bill.
The Bill will surely divide Ali Baba's 40 th***vs down the middle,like never b4

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Shak
#8 Posted : Monday, August 10, 2009 1:44:00 PM
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The mood in the country has really changed. Much as we would like key perpetrators of the election violence sent to the hague,the people who committed serious crimes eg. Murder and arson must also face the law. Incidentally the bill proposes exactly that: ICC for the big wigs and the tribunal for the rest. I wonder whether there's any way to pressure our mps to support the bill

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Shak
#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:29:00 AM
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Feish
#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:17:00 PM
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As much as i would want to jump to the boat,the issue of immunity to president is totally different. I would not want to live in a country where any Tom,Dick and Harry will come and challenge my president in a court of law. The presidency must be respected. The only thing is that he/she has to be accountable to his/her deeds

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Brewer
#11 Posted : Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:40:00 PM
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For once this parliamentary term Imanyara appears to be doing something more serious than picking fights with the First Family.

On immunity of the president,I think it boils down to whether we want a president who has been investigated and found liable to prosecution to continue being our president. If he is not the president then we can prosecute him even under our current law giving him immunity. The issue therefore should be whether indictment should not be a ground for resignation and loss of office for all suspects including the president as well as ministers,police commissioner and some of whom have security of tenure,like the AG. It is not about immunity of the president (though that is headline grabbing) but whether people should continue holding office. I have serious reservation in ministers who may be suspects in published reports of repute sitting in cabinet to decide on their fate. Ditto MPS.

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