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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2011 Posts: 1,740 Location: Nairobi
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I thought no one can be forced to work....what is this...
If the employee refuses to work then the employer can find another one who will accept the salary he is willing to pay.
Market forces then would determined at what pay the employer can retain workers...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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I'm looking at those who are now pushing for respect of court orders and SMH. ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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streetwise wrote:I thought no one can be forced to work....what is this...
If the employee refuses to work then the employer can find another one who will accept the salary he is willing to pay.
Market forces then would determined at what pay the employer can retain workers...
Question: Are teachers employed by the TSC or by KNUT? If the court termed the strike as illegal, who is violating the others contract? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 846
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murchr wrote:A teacher - goes on leave every 3 months, can work less than 8hrs a day, can earn an extra pay when they go to mark the national exams.Work is not life threatening.
A nurse - Works through out the year and gets leave by chance, can work more than 8hr a day. Work conditions are pathetic all round and potentially life threatening.
My view, all salaries need to be normalized maybe pay per hr Someone enlighten me, how many hours do the pigs work? how many leave days do they get? How much do they earn in sitting allowances? in short they are actually paid to work besides the normal salary. Kweli mnyonge hana haki. PS: am not a teacher, chose not to be one because i was a difficult student, couldnt imagine dealing with other people's brats on a daily basis. Those people are the most patient and God sent i know in Kenya. Wapewe pesa, hata kama ni ya laptop!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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CLK wrote:murchr wrote:A teacher - goes on leave every 3 months, can work less than 8hrs a day, can earn an extra pay when they go to mark the national exams.Work is not life threatening.
A nurse - Works through out the year and gets leave by chance, can work more than 8hr a day. Work conditions are pathetic all round and potentially life threatening.
My view, all salaries need to be normalized maybe pay per hr Someone enlighten me, how many hours do the pigs work? how many leave days do they get? How much do they earn in sitting allowances? in short they are actually paid to work besides the normal salary. Kweli mnyonge hana haki. PS: am not a teacher, chose not to be one because i was a difficult student, couldnt imagine dealing with other people's brats on a daily basis. Those people are the most patient and God sent i know in Kenya. Wapewe pesa, hata kama ni ya laptop!!! Those pigs claim that when they aint serving in parliament they are serving you machinani thats why we pay them mileage. How true that is subject to debate. However, if we are to compare mwananinchi wa kawaida...the nurse, clerk in gov off, the teacher.. in short civil servants....the teacher is the best paid and has the best conditions...kweli ama rongo? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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The argument that teachers are being paid too much or too little is neither here nor there. Infact, the teachers should get on point and move the narrative LOUDLY to the issue at hand. The gov't made a promise, signed a contract and even made a gazette notice to the same. It will be a very bad precedent if a gov't reneges on a promise of any sort. If gov't can't honour a contract, then what makes you think that your T-bills won't be honoured for political expediency. So not knowing how much they are being paid or will be paid or if its higher than nurses, the issue is. The gov't is refusing to honour a contract. That cannot be allowed by anyone. I'd advice nurses and similar unionised civil servants to hire KNUT managers to promote their interests rather than complaining that teachers get paid too much. And the court really really cannot force me to go to work. That is slavery mambo leo. I thought the judiciary was reformed. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma wrote:The argument that teachers are being paid too much or too little is neither here nor there.
Infact, the teachers should get on point and move the narrative LOUDLY to the issue at hand.
The gov't made a promise, signed a contract and even made a gazette notice to the same.
It will be a very bad precedent if a gov't reneges on a promise of any sort. If gov't can't honour a contract, then what makes you think that your T-bills won't be honoured for political expediency.
So not knowing how much they are being paid or will be paid or if its higher than nurses, the issue is. The gov't is refusing to honour a contract. That cannot be allowed by anyone.
I'd advice nurses and similar unionised civil servants to hire KNUT managers to promote their interests rather than complaining that teachers get paid too much.
And the court really really cannot force me to go to work. That is slavery mambo leo. I thought the judiciary was reformed. Was there a timeline on which they were to be paid? Did they agree that the lumpsum payment was to be done in 2013? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Ambrose Adondo Adeya, KNUT Secretary General (RIP), once told Moi; 'We will not attend any meeting even if it is called by God and Jesus in heaven, so dont tell us about a mere State House!'. Hehehehe. This 'We dont draw salaries from Kaimenyi and Kaimenyi Investments' guy will become a small Ambrose Adongo in future! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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murchr, I will not go into that path either. The question is and should remain. Is there a signed agreement between teachers and gov't that the gov't is refusing to honor? Timelines, how much, who signed, why, who, what etc are what we call mist in the issue at hand. If there is a contract lying somewhere, then the gov't should pay. I tend to believe the teachers in this rather the gov't which as late as yesterday was saying that it will negotiate with what they have. Rather than implement what was promised. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma wrote:murchr, I will not go into that path either.
The question is and should remain. Is there a signed agreement between teachers and gov't that the gov't is refusing to honor?
Timelines, how much, who signed, why, who, what etc are what we call mist in the issue at hand.
If there is a contract lying somewhere, then the gov't should pay.
I tend to believe the teachers in this rather the gov't which as late as yesterday was saying that it will negotiate with what they have. Rather than implement what was promised. @alma, I dont think the govt has refused to honor it, rather the teachers feel that the programs the govt is running aren't worth it and they would rather be paid their money at once. (Blackmail, since when did they become policy makers) So since they are all playing hard, maybe its time the contract is re-examined...was it time bound? You know the govt too cant be forced to pay all at once esp if there was a formula as to how the money would be paid. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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