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maka
#81 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 2:49:10 PM
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Dash wrote:
Are the kids in class?

Hawako class av met some organising a bash hapa mtaani sad...and eating mogoka...gosh that thing is 50 bob inflation is biting really hard....KNUT ine disburse 11k to all teachers iwaskume hadi end month...
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#82 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 2:56:50 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
Baba now says teachers should be paid with laptop cash


Why is he targeting laptop cash? Does he mean the Government has no other sources of funding teachers' pay other than diverting project funds?

Ambia huyu baba yenu afungue macho!!!
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#83 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 2:59:18 PM
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maka wrote:
Dash wrote:
Are the kids in class?

Hawako class av met some organising a bash hapa mtaani sad...and eating mogoka...gosh that thing is 50 bob inflation is biting really hard....KNUT ine disburse 11k to all teachers iwaskume hadi end month...


Seems this will take a loooong time!!!!.....what with the grandstanding from both sides!!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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#84 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 3:17:52 PM
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The government should end this strike craze once and for all - either they pay the teachers whatever the gazette they always quote or they sack all the teachers and employ others under new terms.

the strikes have become too frequent
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#85 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 4:07:40 PM
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Is KNUT receiving instructions to disregard the court order?

The more this strike continues, the more I see siasa.
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#86 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 4:13:28 PM
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InnovateGuy wrote:
Is KNUT receiving instructions to disregard the court order?

The more this strike continues, the more I see siasa.


You forget how the previous strikes by the teachers happened and the group Sossion and co campaigned for is not a secret!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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#87 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 4:51:34 PM
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AG Githu Muigai: "It is totally unacceptable that litigants before any court or tribunal can choose what orders to be and which ones not to obey."
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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#88 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 5:11:14 PM
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If teachers can't respect the law,why should they be heard?.....It's annoying and more so considering the suffering i as a parent have to undergo......Now they have sent secondary school kids home indefinitely,yet i have paid their fees to year end.Is this fair?....Don't pupils/students have rights?.Don't parents have rights?Remember,the same happened less than a year ago.
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Shak
#89 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 6:14:12 PM
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nakujua wrote:
The government should end this strike craze once and for all - either they pay the teachers whatever the gazette they always quote or they sack all the teachers and employ others under new terms.

the strikes have become too frequent

It would be better if they were all fired. When will all the blackmail stop? Even if they're paid what they want they will still demand more.
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Magigi
#90 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 6:44:14 PM
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My first salary as a graduate teacher was ksh 3270 plus a house allowance of ksh 1500. The house allowance was not automatic. A Primary school area inspector had to be send to your house to ascertain that you were actually living there and not in a 'cave'. It was only that your hse allowance could be processed. It was a very painful experience and humiliating to say the least. When an opportunity arose to jump ship, I did not even inform anybody...I DESERTED. By then it was the most frustrating career one could imagine...Those BAs from other universities who could not be absorbed in the ministries ( those days it was a must for the government to give graduates jobs!!!) were sent to teach...The long and short of it is that teachers should be respected and not be treated as second class citizens...At the same time the teachers should also be understanding and not ask for too much when they don't offer the same in return...
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#91 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 6:47:29 PM
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court has no power to order teachers back to work as that will be unconstitutional (there is something in the constitution about kenyans not being subjected to forced labour, slavery etc). the court had power to hear the parties and declare the strike illegal - then tsc can order them back and failure to them going back fire them. now if they don't go to work who shall be in contempt? knut for the teachers disobeying a court order or each individual teacher? or is the order to knut to order teachers back to work? judges smoking weed and over reaching - seemingly.
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maka
#92 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 7:32:03 PM
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InnovateGuy wrote:
Is KNUT receiving instructions to disregard the court order?

The more this strike continues, the more I see siasa.

dont even bring story ya siasa hapa there is a reason why they wunt obey that order....
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#93 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 7:35:56 PM
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Magigi wrote:
My first salary as a graduate teacher was ksh 3270 plus a house allowance of ksh 1500. The house allowance was not automatic. A Primary school area inspector had to be send to your house to ascertain that you were actually living there and not in a 'cave'. It was only that your hse allowance could be processed. It was a very painful experience and humiliating to say the least. When an opportunity arose to jump ship, I did not even inform anybody...I DESERTED. By then it was the most frustrating career one could imagine...Those BAs from other universities who could not be absorbed in the ministries ( those days it was a must for the government to give graduates jobs!!!) were sent to teach...The long and short of it is that teachers should be respected and not be treated as second class citizens...At the same time the teachers should also be understanding and not ask for too much when they don't offer the same in return...

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maka
#94 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 7:38:30 PM
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mkenyan wrote:
court has no power to order teachers back to work as that will be unconstitutional (there is something in the constitution about kenyans not being subjected to forced labour, slavery etc). the court had power to hear the parties and declare the strike illegal - then tsc can order them back and failure to them going back fire them. now if they don't go to work who shall be in contempt? knut for the teachers disobeying a court order or each individual teacher? or is the order to knut to order teachers back to work? judges smoking weed and over reaching - seemingly.

very true...
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maka
#95 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 8:03:22 PM
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McReggae wrote:
AG Githu Muigai: "It is totally unacceptable that litigants before any court or tribunal can choose what orders to be and which ones not to obey."

So he pulls out that card only when it suits them!Who ignored the county commissioners ruling again?
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#96 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 8:51:16 PM
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KNUT is being economical with the truth. The 2003 CBA ratified the 1997 legal notice. They keep on mentioning the 1997 legal notice to draw sympathy from the public who will not dig deeper to know the truth.

ION, if Sossion wants to launch a political career, he should just resign and run for a political office. We've seen this tricks so many times.
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#97 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 9:42:24 PM
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A teacher - goes on leave every 3 months, can work less than 8hrs a day, can earn an extra pay when they go to mark the national exams.Work is not life threatening.

A nurse - Works through out the year and gets leave by chance, can work more than 8hr a day. Work conditions are pathetic all round and potentially life threatening.

My view, all salaries need to be normalized maybe pay per hr
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maka
#98 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 10:53:30 PM
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InnovateGuy wrote:
KNUT is being economical with the truth. The 2003 CBA ratified the 1997 legal notice. They keep on mentioning the 1997 legal notice to draw sympathy from the public who will not dig deeper to know the truth.

ION, if Sossion wants to launch a political career, he should just resign and run for a political office. We've seen this tricks so many times.


The 2003 CBA did no such thing. It was based on a return to work formula drafted around the negotiated terms contained in the 1997 Legal Notice which by the way was negotiated by a team of lawyers led by the eminent George Oraro SC
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#99 Posted : Tuesday, July 02, 2013 12:02:46 AM
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This thing needs to be dealt with politically..
central teashas to be told to ngo mback to crass n stop undermining kamwanas ngafament.
Sossion be called at Palacina to answer to elders weilding sticks n carrots.. RV teachers will 'go pack to gilas'
Threaten the rest with nonpayment of salaries.. woo some chapters.. fire some and the rest willl mellow..and there shall never be another teachers strike again in the forseeable future.. The nsis can use my idea free of charge..
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chepkel
#100 Posted : Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:11:43 AM
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poundfoolish wrote:
This thing needs to be dealt with politically..
central teashas to be told to ngo mback to crass n stop undermining kamwanas ngafament.
Sossion be called at Palacina to answer to elders weilding sticks n carrots.. RV teachers will 'go pack to gilas'
Threaten the rest with nonpayment of salaries.. woo some chapters.. fire some and the rest willl mellow..and there shall never be another teachers strike again in the forseeable future.. The nsis can use my idea free of charge..


Which profession do you belong to???

Am sure when you and your group will be figting for your rights, the NSIS will remeber this and use it on you too!!!

Walimu wapewe pesa!!!!!!
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