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Kenya, a 'failed state'!
freiks
#21 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 5:21:13 PM
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Muheani wrote:
They may say whatever they want to say against my country, they may use whichever index they may want to use.. Let them even say we're at the bottom of their yardstick.

I always have this vivid pictures in my mind of some very needy, almost violent beggars in their streets ........ They almost traumatised me the first time.....

Kenya My Country!!!! God Bless Kenya.


Atleast you have seen their homeless chaps, so hopeless. Cant see the rod in their eyes
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#22 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 5:22:35 PM
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Kenya is the worst in EAC from this ranking. (on a light note) the good thing is that it unites Kenyans with Nigerians.
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InnovateGuy
#23 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 5:30:49 PM
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Let's bow our heads and say a silent prayer.

Lord, the authors of these "findings" have achieved their mission. They have greatly demoralized some of us who see a great future in this nation. They have made the likes of Makau Mutua happy and I can bet he'll be back on Sunday to tell us how failed we are, and how we will never make it. They have taken out our sense of self-esteem and we will be all over admiring their "successful nations".

Although our nation has a dark history, the foundations for greatness have been laid down by the new constitution and our zeal should not waiver. May the stereotypes and misconceptions about our nation continue as we remain focused on building our institutions. May our children and grandchildren better these institutions and honour the values we strive to achieve as a society.

Amen.
Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
Rollout
#24 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 5:34:37 PM
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Wendz wrote:
InnovateGuy wrote:
The parameters set for classifying a state as failed are debatable. In someone's dictionary, a failed state may mean high rates of delinquency,another person may say it's high poverty levels, and so forth. The truth of the matter is that there is no objective means of measuring a failed state. All the parameters are subjective.

Nonetheless, we should understand where such "studies" arise, how they are conducted, and whom they are intended to benefit. In some cases, these "think tanks" publish ridiculous "findings". In turn, they perpetuate half-myths and stereotypes. Do not be surprised if the CIA funds such "studies".



The irony of the whole thing is that China is such a failed state yet basically everything in US is "Made in China" and they have heavily borrowed from China too... interesting...


I wonder if you have ever been to US or atleast understand how economics work.... yes alot of thing are made in China because of cheap labor and China hold less than 12% of US debt.......


Wendz
#25 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 5:50:39 PM
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Rollout wrote:
Wendz wrote:
InnovateGuy wrote:
The parameters set for classifying a state as failed are debatable. In someone's dictionary, a failed state may mean high rates of delinquency,another person may say it's high poverty levels, and so forth. The truth of the matter is that there is no objective means of measuring a failed state. All the parameters are subjective.

Nonetheless, we should understand where such "studies" arise, how they are conducted, and whom they are intended to benefit. In some cases, these "think tanks" publish ridiculous "findings". In turn, they perpetuate half-myths and stereotypes. Do not be surprised if the CIA funds such "studies".



The irony of the whole thing is that China is such a failed state yet basically everything in US is "Made in China" and they have heavily borrowed from China too... interesting...


I wonder if you have ever been to US or atleast understand how economics work.... yes alot of thing are made in China because of cheap labor and China hold less than 12% of US debt.......




If i have to go to US to understand some of these things, then i'll make a point. So, do you reckon this has no impact on US? Or the fact that US depend on China for production of a lot of its consumption materials has no effect on US economy? My simple question is, how does US, and basically majority of the world's economy depend on such a failed state? How has this failed state managed to keep its labor that low and produce effectively?
maligumu
#26 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 6:07:34 PM
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We need to accept and move on.
Peace be with you
Rollout
#27 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 7:25:14 PM
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Wendz wrote:
Rollout wrote:
Wendz wrote:
InnovateGuy wrote:
The parameters set for classifying a state as failed are debatable. In someone's dictionary, a failed state may mean high rates of delinquency,another person may say it's high poverty levels, and so forth. The truth of the matter is that there is no objective means of measuring a failed state. All the parameters are subjective.

Nonetheless, we should understand where such "studies" arise, how they are conducted, and whom they are intended to benefit. In some cases, these "think tanks" publish ridiculous "findings". In turn, they perpetuate half-myths and stereotypes. Do not be surprised if the CIA funds such "studies".



The irony of the whole thing is that China is such a failed state yet basically everything in US is "Made in China" and they have heavily borrowed from China too... interesting...


I wonder if you have ever been to US or atleast understand how economics work.... yes alot of thing are made in China because of cheap labor and China hold less than 12% of US debt.......




If i have to go to US to understand some of these things, then i'll make a point. So, do you reckon this has no impact on US? Or the fact that US depend on China for production of a lot of its consumption materials has no effect on US economy? My simple question is, how does US, and basically majority of the world's economy depend on such a failed state? How has this failed state managed to keep its labor that low and produce effectively?


Obviously you want me to go deeper into these so I will make it simple.
1)US do not go out an borrow from China the way we go out and borrow from other countries, China somehow like to buy US treasuries and thats how the debt come about.
2)The total US debt have some impact on US economy but the piece that is held by china have some inverse economic impact because it offers some directional view of how others look at USA future(higher debt indicate better expectation)
3)US do not depend on china to produce alot of consumption materials, in this senerior, the consumer hold the power not the producer so China depend on US to buy it's manufactured goods and this is the reason why China manage their currency-to make sure they can sell their manufactured good.
US however depend on China to purchase hightech goods, like machinaries and cars and technology good but trade deficit between the two countries should tell you who depend on who.
4) The world depend on China mainly because they have one third of the world population, stability and growth of China is very important to the world economy.
5) China labor is cheap and it is a disadvantage to china because it makes china depend on external market for consumption of it's manufactured good yet they hold one third of the world population.
6) Productivity in China is inefficient relative to the west.
maka
#28 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 7:44:03 PM
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Rollout wrote:
Wendz wrote:
Rollout wrote:
Wendz wrote:
InnovateGuy wrote:
The parameters set for classifying a state as failed are debatable. In someone's dictionary, a failed state may mean high rates of delinquency,another person may say it's high poverty levels, and so forth. The truth of the matter is that there is no objective means of measuring a failed state. All the parameters are subjective.

Nonetheless, we should understand where such "studies" arise, how they are conducted, and whom they are intended to benefit. In some cases, these "think tanks" publish ridiculous "findings". In turn, they perpetuate half-myths and stereotypes. Do not be surprised if the CIA funds such "studies".



The irony of the whole thing is that China is such a failed state yet basically everything in US is "Made in China" and they have heavily borrowed from China too... interesting...


I wonder if you have ever been to US or atleast understand how economics work.... yes alot of thing are made in China because of cheap labor and China hold less than 12% of US debt.......




If i have to go to US to understand some of these things, then i'll make a point. So, do you reckon this has no impact on US? Or the fact that US depend on China for production of a lot of its consumption materials has no effect on US economy? My simple question is, how does US, and basically majority of the world's economy depend on such a failed state? How has this failed state managed to keep its labor that low and produce effectively?


Obviously you want me to go deeper into these so I will make it simple.
1)US do not go out an borrow from China the way we go out and borrow from other countries, China somehow like to buy US treasuries and thats how the debt come about.
2)The total US debt have some impact on US economy but the piece that is held by china have some inverse economic impact because it offers some directional view of how others look at USA future(higher debt indicate better expectation)
3)US do not depend on china to produce alot of consumption materials, in this senerior, the consumer hold the power not the producer so China depend on US to buy it's manufactured goods and this is the reason why China manage their currency-to make sure they can sell their manufactured good.
US however depend on China to purchase hightech goods, like machinaries and cars and technology good but trade deficit between the two countries should tell you who depend on who.
4) The world depend on China mainly because they have one third of the world population, stability and growth of China is very important to the world economy.
5) China labor is cheap and it is a disadvantage to china because it makes china depend on external market for consumption of it's manufactured good yet they hold one third of the world population.
6) Productivity in China is inefficient relative to the west.

Financial markets free tutorial...btw The US is still pushing for China to re value their currency...by up to 30% love them or hate them the US is still a powerhouse...
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tycho
#29 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 8:41:28 PM
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I think we are being too defensive, and that's a weakness.

Our state isn't doing well. In terms of territory, we have little control in places like 'North Eastern' (up Kenya), Migingo, and the areas Museveni alluded about cattle theft, and the like.

The Alshabaab menace is now widespread and is a threat to our state's stability.

Nowadays it's easy to hear people saying that our justice system is suspect, and that government institutions are corruption hubs.

I believe these are some of the factors that show how we may be a failed state.

This I think, is a challenge to all of us. We need to 'reengineer' ourselves.
masukuma
#30 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 8:47:03 PM
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Kwani this is new?
We were label a failed state in 2011

http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...spx?g=posts&t=13998

in 2012

http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=19278

KWANI WHAT CHANGED?
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