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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,484 Location: nairobi
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guru267 wrote:@obiero thinks he/she is in the National Security Agency.. Its sad because @obiero doesn't know shit even if it slapped him/her right in the face... You say HFCK is overvalued like 3months ago and then start chest thumping when the whole market starts moving down in June 2013... Have you no shame?? NKT. if one was too observe closely they would see that HFCK has been one of the strongest performers during this correction!! Hehehe. Guru unanipenda ama. Why cant you keep me out of your mouth/head? Sio wewe tu unajua mambo ya stocks, wacha pia sisi tupatiane maoni hapa.. Na ukinijibu na matusi I will shred your vulgar ego apart.. Stand warned
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,180 Location: nairobi
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Sergent at arms!! "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,180 Location: nairobi
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All signs showed hfck un-willing to slide further...i see 20 too far a dream for those who were waiting. "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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mlennyma wrote:All signs showed hfck un-willing to slide further...i see 20 too far a dream for those who were waiting. That's what happens with cheap stocks during a market correction! If it dares to go below 23bob we will be ready for the assault... Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/31/2011 Posts: 5,121
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 15 and below was the juiciest level for this counter #Very_Comfortable_Buying_Level_Then 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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mwekez@ji wrote: 15 and below was the juiciest level for this counter #Very_Comfortable_Buying_Level_Then With a forward EPS of 4.2 and a DPS of 1.85 then we should be more comfortable buying today than when it was at 15bob! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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@guru. i expect 4.0eps and dps of 1.70. ie. interim of 0.7 and final of 1.00. but if im wrong and you're right...ill be happier. with eps of 4.00+, a valuation of 45.00 is deserved. #shinebrightlikeadiamond The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,180 Location: nairobi
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@aguy,guru,mweke@zaji and i,seem to have consumated their marriage with hfck..lets hope we live happily with this one wife. "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/31/2011 Posts: 5,121
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mlennyma wrote:@aguy,guru,mweke@zaji and i,seem to have consumated their marriage with hfck..lets hope we live happily with this one wife.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/14/2011 Posts: 834 Location: nairobi
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From where does HFCK make money from? The mortgage business in Kenya is not big due to prohibitive rates
My chama borrowed sh 10m to buy an office in westlands and eventhough the rent we are getting is sh 120,000 from renting out the office, we are paying sh 194,000 over 10 years for that loan at 19%.
meaning we have to pay out of pocket sh 74k per month until we can get some rent increase maybe next year. But still it may take 7 years before we stop paying the loan from our pockets
so if for a sh 10m investment with an income of sh 120k is not that good what about someone who buys a house in South C for sh 15m and getting maybe only about sh 60k in rent?
Does mortgage business in Kenya make sense at the rates they charge? so how does Housing finance make money?
i know they also build houses for sale but those are not that many projects. i know of Komorock and Riruta where they have partnered with a land onwer?
please educate some of us who still want to buy into HF
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/29/2006 Posts: 2,570
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@heri. You are already educated. You ask a question and the answer is so manifest in your long tirade! The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/29/2006 Posts: 2,570
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mwekez@ji wrote:mlennyma wrote:@aguy,guru,mweke@zaji and i,seem to have consumated their marriage with hfck..lets hope we live happily with this one wife. welcome me in your polyandrous hamlet! Is polyandry legal in Kenya? The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,077 Location: Nairobi
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heri wrote:From where does HFCK make money from? The mortgage business in Kenya is not big due to prohibitive rates
My chama borrowed sh 10m to buy an office in westlands and eventhough the rent we are getting is sh 120,000 from renting out the office, we are paying sh 194,000 over 10 years for that loan at 19%.
meaning we have to pay out of pocket sh 74k per month until we can get some rent increase maybe next year. But still it may take 7 years before we stop paying the loan from our pockets
so if for a sh 10m investment with an income of sh 120k is not that good what about someone who buys a house in South C for sh 15m and getting maybe only about sh 60k in rent?
Does mortgage business in Kenya make sense at the rates they charge? so how does Housing finance make money?
i know they also build houses for sale but those are not that many projects. i know of Komorock and Riruta where they have partnered with a land onwer?
please educate some of us who still want to buy into HF Q&A. I don't know who makes money from renting out houses if they have borrowed more than 50% of the money/funds. The only folks who seem to make money are developers who borrow, build & sell at 150% (or more) of the land & constructions costs. Also known as a Pyramid Scheme. Rent is 5-8% of the Purchase Price in Nairobi. Any additional 'profits' are on paper i.e. perceived increase in the value of an apartment because another is willing to pay you more. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/14/2011 Posts: 834 Location: nairobi
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You see even if we did not borrow all the amount for the purchase, there would still be a cost of capital wherever the funds come from. which means you can still say that you need to make more than 19% return to make money. but that is not possible
Mind you for a rent of sh 120k having put in sh 10m is still very good. its double what sh 15m house in South C will fetch
so is the HF mortgage business at such higher rates a good business for them to make money?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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heri wrote:From where does HFCK make money from? The mortgage business in Kenya is not big due to prohibitive rates
My chama borrowed sh 10m to buy an office in westlands and eventhough the rent we are getting is sh 120,000 from renting out the office, we are paying sh 194,000 over 10 years for that loan at 19%.
meaning we have to pay out of pocket sh 74k per month until we can get some rent increase maybe next year. But still it may take 7 years before we stop paying the loan from our pockets
so if for a sh 10m investment with an income of sh 120k is not that good what about someone who buys a house in South C for sh 15m and getting maybe only about sh 60k in rent?
Does mortgage business in Kenya make sense at the rates they charge? so how does Housing finance make money?
i know they also build houses for sale but those are not that many projects. i know of Komorock and Riruta where they have partnered with a land onwer?
please educate some of us who still want to buy into HF HFCK makes money from the interest paid by clients who take loans (mortgages) with them. That 19% you are paying is where HFCK makes money. As long as people need loans to build(and most frequently do), HFCK makes money. as long as there is a housing/buildings deficit and demand HFCK makes money. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2012 Posts: 3,855 Location: Othumo
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jerry wrote:mwekez@ji wrote:mlennyma wrote:@aguy,guru,mweke@zaji and i,seem to have consumated their marriage with hfck..lets hope we live happily with this one wife. welcome me in your polyandrous hamlet! Is polyandry legal in Kenya? Tuko wengi full house was in love @ 16.5 & 19 ranges. @obiero almost scared me to exit but I stayed strong. smelling @30 coming soon! #keepthefaithandwait Thieves
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,484 Location: nairobi
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King G wrote:jerry wrote:mwekez@ji wrote:mlennyma wrote:@aguy,guru,mweke@zaji and i,seem to have consumated their marriage with hfck..lets hope we live happily with this one wife. welcome me in your polyandrous hamlet! Is polyandry legal in Kenya? Tuko wengi full house was in love @ 16.5 & 19 ranges. @obiero almost scared me to exit but I stayed strong. smelling @30 coming soon! #keepthefaithandwait @KingG.. HFCK is not a bad stock, it is an average stock at current prices and thus its not too late to exit. Coop Bank is currently a steal with much greater promise of outsized returns. Never get too attached to a stock.. Thank me later
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:King G wrote:jerry wrote:mwekez@ji wrote:mlennyma wrote:@aguy,guru,mweke@zaji and i,seem to have consumated their marriage with hfck..lets hope we live happily with this one wife. welcome me in your polyandrous hamlet! Is polyandry legal in Kenya? Tuko wengi full house was in love @ 16.5 & 19 ranges. @obiero almost scared me to exit but I stayed strong. smelling @30 coming soon! #keepthefaithandwait @KingG.. HFCK is not a bad stock, it is an average stock at current prices and thus its not too late to exit. Coop Bank is currently a steal with much greater promise of outsized returns. Never get too attached to a stock.. Thank me later Co op cheaper than HFCK?? #Madness Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,180 Location: nairobi
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Last year was a flat year but with good div. 2013 is our year,as we gear towards the end of 1H,there can only be one word"optimism"and the share is attempting a climb again..stay put men. "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,180 Location: nairobi
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My dividend not yet,who else? "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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