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Why LAPSSET should be downgraded
kigogo
#81 Posted : Friday, May 31, 2013 11:10:06 PM
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also remember that djibouitis port is not as deep as lamu, meaning big ships cannot dock in djibouti. also consider that maybe (am using the word maybe) somalia will be peaceful in the near future, they will just need to connect with kenya by a few kilometres of tarmack in order to import goods from kenya. and by the way oil explorations at ngamia1 and at maikona in marsabit north district.
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#82 Posted : Saturday, June 01, 2013 9:00:19 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
We may not have money like UAE but i love their Prezzo Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan.He walks to a point and stands there and says,"I want the best and largest hospital here in the next 18 months"....and it is done!(Hiyo ndio kutenda na kusema).I first heard about a standard gauge railway line in Kenya way back in 1992.21 years later,we are still talking big with not even a metre of railway line,standard or otherwise.SAD!

they have the big money
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wanyee
#83 Posted : Saturday, June 01, 2013 10:10:04 AM
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Fact the moment the Northern oil-field's oil starts to trickle ...you will all be racing for a piece of the pie along LAPSSET..but its knock on effects are what that could be confounding Imagine the whole frontier up to Mali or even doing Coast-to-Coast commerce ..from Dakar to Lamu..sounds far fetched but this lapsset could be the biggest thing ever to happen to Africa ..can i hear an oh-hail-KibakiDrool ...yeaah:d/
limanika
#84 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2013 12:08:48 PM
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This is exactly what we are saying, the upgrade of existing Mombasa- Malaba rail to standard gauge should have been done yesterday as a matter of priority. There is no point building Lamu - Juba rail right now yet the Lamu port is not ready/even operational for the next say five years.

http://www.standardmedia...t-or-lose-out-kenya-told
mkonomtupu
#85 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2013 12:38:07 PM
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[quote=limanika]This is exactly what we are saying, the upgrade of existing Mombasa- Malaba rail to standard gauge should have been done yesterday as a matter of priority. There is no point building Lamu - Juba rail right now yet the Lamu port is not ready/even operational for the next say five years.

http://www.standardmedia...-or-lose-out-kenya-told[/quote]

It's a waste of resources and won't give Kenya a competitive edge as China has announced plans to invest $10 billion to build a new port at Bagamoyo which is northwest of Dar es Salaam in Tanzania.
The new port will be able to handle 20 million cargo containers a year. The current port facilities at Dar es Salaam can only handle 800,000 containers a year. New roads and railroads will connect to existing road and railroad networks, and these will also undergo upgrades. This will make Tanzania the main port for raw materials coming out of and goods going into Malawi, Zambia, Congo, Burundi, Rwanda, and Uganda. This makes Tanzania a major East African shipping destination because Bagamoyo will become the largest port in Africa and will well compete with the ports in Persian Gulf.
limanika
#86 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2013 1:59:11 PM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
[quote=limanika]This is exactly what we are saying, the upgrade of existing Mombasa- Malaba rail to standard gauge should have been done yesterday as a matter of priority. There is no point building Lamu - Juba rail right now yet the Lamu port is not ready/even operational for the next say five years.

http://www.standardmedia...-or-lose-out-kenya-told[/quote]

It's a waste of resources and won't give Kenya a competitive edge as China has announced plans to invest $10 billion to build a new port at Bagamoyo which is northwest of Dar es Salaam in Tanzania.The new port will be able to handle 20 million cargo containers a year. The current port facilities at Dar es Salaam can only handle 800,000 containers a year. New roads and railroads will connect to existing road and railroad networks, and these will also undergo upgrades. This will make Tanzania the main port for raw materials coming out of and goods going into Malawi, Zambia, Congo, Burundi, Rwanda, and Uganda. This makes Tanzania a major East African shipping destination because Bagamoyo will become the largest port in Africa and will well compete with the ports in Persian Gulf.

Mombasa remains the number one choice for UG& S.Sudan bound goods, unless the new Bagamoyo port turns out to be so efficient that the said efficiency can mitigate the extra costs incurred as a result of the larger distance. Due to scarcity of the borrowed funds, Uhuruto should divest funds for LAPSSET and use it to upgrade the existing line. LAPSSET can proceed thereafter in stages. Otherwise Kenya risks being a jack of all projects and a master of none. A port is like a bank, once you start using one you get accustomed to it.
Njung'e
#87 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2013 2:50:41 PM
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@Limanika,
Assuming you are not Mutiga,there are many who thhink that we are taking our neighbours for granted at our own peril.......and this neighbours are saying,"Must we look up at Kenya for everything?"

http://www.nation.co.ke/...20/-/gpa2ij/-/index.html
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limanika
#88 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2013 3:11:16 PM
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[quote=Njung'e]@Limanika,
Assuming you are not Mutiga,there are many who thhink that we are taking our neighbours for granted at our own peril.......and this neighbours are saying,"Must we look up at Kenya for everything?"

http://www.nation.co.ke/...0/-/gpa2ij/-/index.html[/quote]

Am not him, never met him too. He could be one of the ‘guests’ though.
mkeiyd
#89 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2013 4:33:51 PM
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[quote=limanika]This is exactly what we are saying, the upgrade of existing Mombasa- Malaba rail to standard gauge should have been done yesterday as a matter of priority. There is no point building Lamu - Juba rail right now yet the Lamu port is not ready/even operational for the next say five years.

http://www.standardmedia...-or-lose-out-kenya-told[/quote]

@limanika, Will the rail be operational NOW?
If we don't start NOW,when is the right time to start?
Had we started 5 years ago, don't you think we would have taken out some wind out of "our neighbors" sails?
limanika
#90 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2013 5:05:35 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
[quote=limanika]This is exactly what we are saying, the upgrade of existing Mombasa- Malaba rail to standard gauge should have been done yesterday as a matter of priority. There is no point building Lamu - Juba rail right now yet the Lamu port is not ready/even operational for the next say five years.

http://www.standardmedia...-or-lose-out-kenya-told[/quote]

@limanika, Will the rail be operational NOW?
If we don't start NOW,when is the right time to start?
Had we started 5 years ago, don't you think we would have taken out some wind out of "our neighbors" sails?

By the way, I can confirm the LAPSSET feasibility report categorically says that there is no economic justification building the section of LAPSSET Rail inside S. Sudan, apparently the cargo volumes are not adequate to justify the cost of construction. It says the line should only be extended only when the S.Sudan economy has grown to justify the cost. The same report says that the Govt should not build the LAPSSET oil pipeline, that it should be built by private entities on a build operate & transfer arrangement. The only Lappset projects that the Kenya Govt should take on board are the port and the road to Juba & Moyale. Mkeiyd do you agree with this?
mkeiyd
#91 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2013 5:33:39 PM
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limanika wrote:
mkeiyd wrote:
[quote=limanika]This is exactly what we are saying, the upgrade of existing Mombasa- Malaba rail to standard gauge should have been done yesterday as a matter of priority. There is no point building Lamu - Juba rail right now yet the Lamu port is not ready/even operational for the next say five years.

http://www.standardmedia...-or-lose-out-kenya-told[/quote]

@limanika, Will the rail be operational NOW?
If we don't start NOW,when is the right time to start?
Had we started 5 years ago, don't you think we would have taken out some wind out of "our neighbors" sails?

By the way, I can confirm the LAPSSET feasibility report categorically says that there is no economic justification building the section of LAPSSET Rail inside S. Sudan, apparently the cargo volumes are not adequate to justify the cost of construction. It says the line should only be extended only when the S.Sudan economy has grown to justify the cost. The same report says that the Govt should not build the LAPSSET oil pipeline, that it should be built by private entities on a build operate & transfer arrangement. The only Lappset projects that the Kenya Govt should take on board are the port and the road to Juba & Moyale. Mkeiyd do you agree with this?

@limanika, Are you for downgrade or you are against gov't funding?
What Ethiopians are doing on their end, is it okay? Extending infrastructure to S. Sudan?
If the whole project [LAPSSET] will take 5 years or more, how will be S.Sudan's economy be like?
Should we start telling our financial institutions not to set up shop in S. Sudan until after say, 5 years?
All in all,the project is already behind times. Maybe we should be discussing the mode of funding.
wanyee
#92 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2013 5:55:42 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
limanika wrote:
mkeiyd wrote:
[quote=limanika]This is exactly what we are saying, the upgrade of existing Mombasa- Malaba rail to standard gauge should have been done yesterday as a matter of priority. There is no point building Lamu - Juba rail right now yet the Lamu port is not ready/even operational for the next say five years.

http://www.standardmedia...-or-lose-out-kenya-told[/quote]

@limanika, Will the rail be operational NOW?
If we don't start NOW,when is the right time to start?
Had we started 5 years ago, don't you think we would have taken out some wind out of "our neighbors" sails?

By the way, I can confirm the LAPSSET feasibility report categorically says that there is no economic justification building the section of LAPSSET Rail inside S. Sudan, apparently the cargo volumes are not adequate to justify the cost of construction. It says the line should only be extended only when the S.Sudan economy has grown to justify the cost. The same report says that the Govt should not build the LAPSSET oil pipeline, that it should be built by private entities on a build operate & transfer arrangement. The only Lappset projects that the Kenya Govt should take on board are the port and the road to Juba & Moyale. Mkeiyd do you agree with this?

@limanika, Are you for downgrade or you are against gov't funding?
What Ethiopians are doing on their end, is it okay? Extending infrastructure to S. Sudan?
If the whole project [LAPSSET] will take 5 years or more, how will be S.Sudan's economy be like?
Should we start telling our financial institutions not to set up shop in S. Sudan until after say, 5 years?
All in all,the project is already behind times. Maybe we should be discussing the mode of funding.

Mode of funding.M-harambeesmile
limanika
#93 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2013 5:57:16 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
limanika wrote:
mkeiyd wrote:
[quote=limanika]This is exactly what we are saying, the upgrade of existing Mombasa- Malaba rail to standard gauge should have been done yesterday as a matter of priority. There is no point building Lamu - Juba rail right now yet the Lamu port is not ready/even operational for the next say five years.

http://www.standardmedia...-or-lose-out-kenya-told[/quote]

@limanika, Will the rail be operational NOW?
If we don't start NOW,when is the right time to start?
Had we started 5 years ago, don't you think we would have taken out some wind out of "our neighbors" sails?

By the way, I can confirm the LAPSSET feasibility report categorically says that there is no economic justification building the section of LAPSSET Rail inside S. Sudan, apparently the cargo volumes are not adequate to justify the cost of construction. It says the line should only be extended only when the S.Sudan economy has grown to justify the cost. The same report says that the Govt should not build the LAPSSET oil pipeline, that it should be built by private entities on a build operate & transfer arrangement. The only Lappset projects that the Kenya Govt should take on board are the port and the road to Juba & Moyale. Mkeiyd do you agree with this?

@limanika, Are you for downgrade or you are against gov't funding?
What Ethiopians are doing on their end, is it okay? Extending infrastructure to S. Sudan?
If the whole project [LAPSSET] will take 5 years or more, how will be S.Sudan's economy be like?
Should we start telling our financial institutions not to set up shop in S. Sudan until after say, 5 years?
All in all,the project is already behind times. Maybe we should be discussing the mode of funding.

http://www.the-star.co.k...basa-port-inefficiences
I think my point has been made, as in the last one day or two, the World Bank and all the major media houses have reported my concerns very effectively (Star, Standard, Nation, Capital News, Kameme etc) In essence what they have said is: reduce the inefficiencies at Mombasa port and upgrade the lunatic to standard gauge or the economy loses out to new comers. None of them mentioned Lapsset in the same sentence. We can now retire this thread, the point having been made. Next!
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#94 Posted : Wednesday, June 05, 2013 10:35:21 PM
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now Ruto says govt has secured 30bn shs financing from Japan for Mombasa port
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