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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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mkeiyd wrote:Total waste of time going to Einstein's theories. We have our stuff here right now.
To downgrade LAPSSET or not.
I'm of the opinion we stick with it the way it is.
@Limanika, When the British were building the Msa-Kampala line, how busy was all the mass of land in between?
Infrastructure opens up places and MAKES them busy. How are going to export our oil through the current pipeline if i may ask? The damn thing has or is about to outlive its life span anyway.
In developed world and those who wish to develop fast and in organized manner, infrastructure is laid first,then the rest follows.
Ask yourself why development in Kenya is concentrated along the main transport corridors. Ask yourself, why did the british build the lunatic where it is and not at the proposed lapsset route? why is meru town bigger than kibwezi yet kibwezi is on the corridor and meru is not?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/17/2011 Posts: 627 Location: Mbui-Nzau, Kikumbulyu
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Cant wait for the day i will easily start shipping polo ponnies from the Ethiopian highlands ..and yes drive through easily for a st.Georges on the Moyale Ethiopian side ...do you know you don't need a visa to enter Ethiopia?!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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limanika wrote:mkeiyd wrote:Total waste of time going to Einstein's theories. We have our stuff here right now.
To downgrade LAPSSET or not.
I'm of the opinion we stick with it the way it is.
@Limanika, When the British were building the Msa-Kampala line, how busy was all the mass of land in between?
Infrastructure opens up places and MAKES them busy. How are going to export our oil through the current pipeline if i may ask? The damn thing has or is about to outlive its life span anyway.
In developed world and those who wish to develop fast and in organized manner, infrastructure is laid first,then the rest follows.
Ask yourself why development in Kenya is concentrated along the main transport corridors. Ask yourself, why did the british build the lunatic where it is and not at the proposed lapsset route? why is meru town bigger than kibwezi yet kibwezi is on the corridor and meru is not? @Limanika, Is Meru bigger than Nakuru or Eldoret? Other factors are at play,not just the corridor. How big would Meru be had it been located along the main corridors? The British wanted to exploit the white highlands into Uganda, why would they then build a rail line through Garissa for example? Following your school of thought, would it not have been better to build Las Vegas near say Newyork city? Long and short, we need LAPSSET to exploit and open up the north.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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mkeiyd wrote:limanika wrote:mkeiyd wrote:Total waste of time going to Einstein's theories. We have our stuff here right now.
To downgrade LAPSSET or not.
I'm of the opinion we stick with it the way it is.
@Limanika, When the British were building the Msa-Kampala line, how busy was all the mass of land in between?
Infrastructure opens up places and MAKES them busy. How are going to export our oil through the current pipeline if i may ask? The damn thing has or is about to outlive its life span anyway.
In developed world and those who wish to develop fast and in organized manner, infrastructure is laid first,then the rest follows.
Ask yourself why development in Kenya is concentrated along the main transport corridors. Ask yourself, why did the british build the lunatic where it is and not at the proposed lapsset route? why is meru town bigger than kibwezi yet kibwezi is on the corridor and meru is not? @Limanika, Is Meru bigger than Nakuru or Eldoret? Other factors are at play,not just the corridor. How big would Meru be had it been located along the main corridors? The British wanted to exploit the white highlands into Uganda, why would they then build a rail line through Garissa for example? Following your school of thought, would it not have been better to build Las Vegas near say Newyork city? Long and short, we need LAPSSET to exploit and open up the north. Thank you for your opinion. ION, Ethiopia has just managed to divert Blue Nile in order to complete construction of 6,000MW dam. On the other side of the country, Chinese are on the ground busy constructing the Djibouti – Juba electric rail line. At the other tip is the 1800MW Gibe III dam in progress. At the same time, as we speak, Kenyan MPs are fighting tooth and nail for their pay to be increased 130 times the minimum wage. Knowing what Kenya is and with current dynamics at regional level, I see a tunnel called Lapsset at the end of the light.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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limanika wrote:mkeiyd wrote:limanika wrote:mkeiyd wrote:Total waste of time going to Einstein's theories. We have our stuff here right now.
To downgrade LAPSSET or not.
I'm of the opinion we stick with it the way it is.
@Limanika, When the British were building the Msa-Kampala line, how busy was all the mass of land in between?
Infrastructure opens up places and MAKES them busy. How are going to export our oil through the current pipeline if i may ask? The damn thing has or is about to outlive its life span anyway.
In developed world and those who wish to develop fast and in organized manner, infrastructure is laid first,then the rest follows.
Ask yourself why development in Kenya is concentrated along the main transport corridors. Ask yourself, why did the british build the lunatic where it is and not at the proposed lapsset route? why is meru town bigger than kibwezi yet kibwezi is on the corridor and meru is not? @Limanika, Is Meru bigger than Nakuru or Eldoret? Other factors are at play,not just the corridor. How big would Meru be had it been located along the main corridors? The British wanted to exploit the white highlands into Uganda, why would they then build a rail line through Garissa for example? Following your school of thought, would it not have been better to build Las Vegas near say Newyork city? Long and short, we need LAPSSET to exploit and open up the north. Thank you for your opinion. ION, Ethiopia has just managed to divert Blue Nile in order to complete construction of 6,000MW dam. On the other side of the country, Chinese are on the ground busy constructing the Djibouti – Juba electric rail line. At the other tip is the 1800MW Gibe III dam in progress. At the same time, as we speak, Kenyan MPs are fighting tooth and nail for their pay to be increased 130 times the minimum wage. Knowing what Kenya is and with current dynamics at regional level, I see a tunnel called Lapsset at the end of the light. @Lamanika, I tend to agree with your point of view but see the hindrance of our achievement of the Vision more having to do with the New constitution which places bottlenecks on all execution of critical national projects. The hands of critical players are tied and the bickering nature of our politics will not let things happens as s they should. Add vested interests and corruption to the mix and you see a giant wheel that won't move as the movers pull in different directions. If it were to take off, we must have a "bulldozer" executive with a dictator president. If we put more emphasis on the economic side of governance than politics, we can move forward. Siasa yetu won't let there be light at the end of this Lapsset tunnel.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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ION today, LAPSSET team has now been placed under direct supervision of the PORK. My greatest measure of his success or failure will be how particular project turns out.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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Rahatupu wrote:
@Lamanika, I tend to agree with your point of view but see the hindrance of our achievement of the Vision more having to do with the New constitution which places bottlenecks on all execution of critical national projects. The hands of critical players are tied and the bickering nature of our politics will not let things happens as s they should. Add vested interests and corruption to the mix and you see a giant wheel that won't move as the movers pull in different directions.
If it were to take off, we must have a "bulldozer" executive with a dictator president. If we put more emphasis on the economic side of governance than politics, we can move forward. Siasa yetu won't let there be light at the end of this Lapsset tunnel.
@Rahatupu, More like a people's dictator. This democracy thing is like a shaving machine given to a 12 year old boy. Mpaka carpet atanyoa. We should have persued economic liberation before trying political liberation. Suddenly everybody has to be consulted, even the deaf when the discussion is music.
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limanika wrote:mkeiyd wrote:limanika wrote:mkeiyd wrote:Total waste of time going to Einstein's theories. We have our stuff here right now.
To downgrade LAPSSET or not.
I'm of the opinion we stick with it the way it is.
@Limanika, When the British were building the Msa-Kampala line, how busy was all the mass of land in between?
Infrastructure opens up places and MAKES them busy. How are going to export our oil through the current pipeline if i may ask? The damn thing has or is about to outlive its life span anyway.
In developed world and those who wish to develop fast and in organized manner, infrastructure is laid first,then the rest follows.
Ask yourself why development in Kenya is concentrated along the main transport corridors. Ask yourself, why did the british build the lunatic where it is and not at the proposed lapsset route? why is meru town bigger than kibwezi yet kibwezi is on the corridor and meru is not? @Limanika, Is Meru bigger than Nakuru or Eldoret? Other factors are at play,not just the corridor. How big would Meru be had it been located along the main corridors? The British wanted to exploit the white highlands into Uganda, why would they then build a rail line through Garissa for example? Following your school of thought, would it not have been better to build Las Vegas near say Newyork city? Long and short, we need LAPSSET to exploit and open up the north. Thank you for your opinion. ION, Ethiopia has just managed to divert Blue Nile in order to complete construction of 6,000MW dam. On the other side of the country, Chinese are on the ground busy constructing the Djibouti – Juba electric rail line. At the other tip is the 1800MW Gibe III dam in progress. At the same time, as we speak, Kenyan MPs are fighting tooth and nail for their pay to be increased 130 times the minimum wage. Knowing what Kenya is and with current dynamics at regional level, I see a tunnel called Lapsset at the end of the light. So your opinion is that we should accept to play second fiddle ? We should just look at the feats by Ethiopia in wonder. You are telling us that we are not good enough to attempt mighty works, that we can not be masters of our own destiny. The links below are CIA fact sheets on Kenya and Ethiopia. https://www.cia.gov/libr...d-factbook/geos/ke.html
https://www.cia.gov/libr...-factbook/geos/et.html.
You will note that Ethiopia has 35% higher GDP than Kenya but twice Kenya's population hence its per capita GDP is lower than Kenya's. In the last 3 years, Ethiopias GDP has risen faster than that of any economy in subsaharan Africa- http://www.worldbank.org...aising-competitiveness.
The reasons for faster growth include an impressive growth in its roadnetwork...to get produce to the market. It is a well known fact that Kenya has a food problem because of poor infrastructure. Again as I said before the policy hands in government are not dumb people. For them to choose to proceed with the project, the obviously have information that you and I do not have. The best indicator that the government is sure of the feasibility of oil production in Kenya is LAPSSET. LAPPSET is why UK visited South Sudan on his way to the AU summit http://www.standardmedia.../?articleID=2000084304.
Limanika, seek information and you will start understanding why the government is not acting blindly
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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accelriskconsult wrote:limanika wrote:mkeiyd wrote:limanika wrote:mkeiyd wrote:Total waste of time going to Einstein's theories. We have our stuff here right now.
To downgrade LAPSSET or not.
I'm of the opinion we stick with it the way it is.
@Limanika, When the British were building the Msa-Kampala line, how busy was all the mass of land in between?
Infrastructure opens up places and MAKES them busy. How are going to export our oil through the current pipeline if i may ask? The damn thing has or is about to outlive its life span anyway.
In developed world and those who wish to develop fast and in organized manner, infrastructure is laid first,then the rest follows.
Ask yourself why development in Kenya is concentrated along the main transport corridors. Ask yourself, why did the british build the lunatic where it is and not at the proposed lapsset route? why is meru town bigger than kibwezi yet kibwezi is on the corridor and meru is not? @Limanika, Is Meru bigger than Nakuru or Eldoret? Other factors are at play,not just the corridor. How big would Meru be had it been located along the main corridors? The British wanted to exploit the white highlands into Uganda, why would they then build a rail line through Garissa for example? Following your school of thought, would it not have been better to build Las Vegas near say Newyork city? Long and short, we need LAPSSET to exploit and open up the north. Thank you for your opinion. ION, Ethiopia has just managed to divert Blue Nile in order to complete construction of 6,000MW dam. On the other side of the country, Chinese are on the ground busy constructing the Djibouti – Juba electric rail line. At the other tip is the 1800MW Gibe III dam in progress. At the same time, as we speak, Kenyan MPs are fighting tooth and nail for their pay to be increased 130 times the minimum wage. Knowing what Kenya is and with current dynamics at regional level, I see a tunnel called Lapsset at the end of the light. So your opinion is that we should accept to play second fiddle ? We should just look at the feats by Ethiopia in wonder. You are telling us that we are not good enough to attempt mighty works, that we can not be masters of our own destiny. The links below are CIA fact sheets on Kenya and Ethiopia. https://www.cia.gov/libr...d-factbook/geos/ke.html
https://www.cia.gov/libr...-factbook/geos/et.html.
You will note that Ethiopia has 35% higher GDP than Kenya but twice Kenya's population hence its per capita GDP is lower than Kenya's. In the last 3 years, Ethiopias GDP has risen faster than that of any economy in subsaharan Africa- http://www.worldbank.org...aising-competitiveness.
The reasons for faster growth include an impressive growth in its roadnetwork...to get produce to the market. It is a well known fact that Kenya has a food problem because of poor infrastructure. Again as I said before the policy hands in government are not dumb people. For them to choose to proceed with the project, the obviously have information that you and I do not have. The best indicator that the government is sure of the feasibility of oil production in Kenya is LAPSSET. LAPPSET is why UK visited South Sudan on his way to the AU summit http://www.standardmedia.../?articleID=2000084304.
Limanika, seek information and you will start understanding why the government is not acting blindly I don't suppose that nothing should be done or that we must marvel at our neighbours in awe. But just identifying our weaknesses when it comes to project implementation and execution, this is where our neighbours have a strategic advantage over us. They get things done faster and maybe better.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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accelriskconsult wrote:limanika wrote:mkeiyd wrote:limanika wrote:mkeiyd wrote:Total waste of time going to Einstein's theories. We have our stuff here right now.
To downgrade LAPSSET or not.
I'm of the opinion we stick with it the way it is.
@Limanika, When the British were building the Msa-Kampala line, how busy was all the mass of land in between?
Infrastructure opens up places and MAKES them busy. How are going to export our oil through the current pipeline if i may ask? The damn thing has or is about to outlive its life span anyway.
In developed world and those who wish to develop fast and in organized manner, infrastructure is laid first,then the rest follows.
Ask yourself why development in Kenya is concentrated along the main transport corridors. Ask yourself, why did the british build the lunatic where it is and not at the proposed lapsset route? why is meru town bigger than kibwezi yet kibwezi is on the corridor and meru is not? @Limanika, Is Meru bigger than Nakuru or Eldoret? Other factors are at play,not just the corridor. How big would Meru be had it been located along the main corridors? The British wanted to exploit the white highlands into Uganda, why would they then build a rail line through Garissa for example? Following your school of thought, would it not have been better to build Las Vegas near say Newyork city? Long and short, we need LAPSSET to exploit and open up the north. Thank you for your opinion. ION, Ethiopia has just managed to divert Blue Nile in order to complete construction of 6,000MW dam. On the other side of the country, Chinese are on the ground busy constructing the Djibouti – Juba electric rail line. At the other tip is the 1800MW Gibe III dam in progress. At the same time, as we speak, Kenyan MPs are fighting tooth and nail for their pay to be increased 130 times the minimum wage. Knowing what Kenya is and with current dynamics at regional level, I see a tunnel called Lapsset at the end of the light. So your opinion is that we should accept to play second fiddle ? We should just look at the feats by Ethiopia in wonder. You are telling us that we are not good enough to attempt mighty works, that we can not be masters of our own destiny. The links below are CIA fact sheets on Kenya and Ethiopia. https://www.cia.gov/libr...d-factbook/geos/ke.html
https://www.cia.gov/libr...-factbook/geos/et.html.
You will note that Ethiopia has 35% higher GDP than Kenya but twice Kenya's population hence its per capita GDP is lower than Kenya's. In the last 3 years, Ethiopias GDP has risen faster than that of any economy in subsaharan Africa- http://www.worldbank.org...aising-competitiveness.
The reasons for faster growth include an impressive growth in its roadnetwork...to get produce to the market. It is a well known fact that Kenya has a food problem because of poor infrastructure. Again as I said before the policy hands in government are not dumb people. For them to choose to proceed with the project, the obviously have information that you and I do not have. The best indicator that the government is sure of the feasibility of oil production in Kenya is LAPSSET. LAPPSET is why UK visited South Sudan on his way to the AU summit http://www.standardmedia.../?articleID=2000084304.
Limanika, seek information and you will start understanding why the government is not acting blindly I never suggested we play second fiddle. I also never suggested that Kenya or even Ethiopia has a ‘birth right’ to be ahead of the other. We should aim for prosperity of every country in the region. When Ethiopian economy and others in the region grow, it means there is more buying power even for Kenyan products so all the need to interconnect the economies. What I am against is the notion than nobody should question whether we should invest in LAPSSET before upgrading existing infrastructure which serves Uganda and can also serve SS comfortably by extension (these are our key markets for the foreseeable future), the notion that there is no need to take note of what our neighbours are doing and re-organise our priorities for maximum benefit. The notion that we should not question the LAPSSET feasibility report: When it does not mention S.S will deplete their oil reserve in the next 15 years. When it does not mention impact on LAPSSET by other infrastructure projects going on in neighbouring countries When in fact we know the feasibility report was ‘tweaked’ by consultants so the project can go ahead and get funding One problem with our system is that it is very difficult to change policies once put on paper. This is why even if Southern Sudan say they do not need our LAPSSET today, the project will still go ahead and become white elephant since changing government policy to factor emerging issues is next to impossible. Mine is constructive criticism.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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Rahatupu and Limanika have you actually read the feasibility study? Limanika posits that the project should be downgraded and offers some feeble arguments for it, that Ethiopia is developing its own infrastructure and that Southern Sudan is currently using Sudan's network, but I have already said that LAPSSET is not primarily built for those 2 economies. If you doubt it, read the fs here http://www.savelamu.org/...-Executive-Summary.pdf.
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To practically understand LAPSSET, focus on Nairobi skyrocketing real estate that's out of reach to majority . Main reason is infrastructure and other services.The only viable solution by government is improve infrastructure where cheap land is available . Residential and industrial development follow infrastructure . Likewise , LAPSSET is needed like yesterday . We are already late. IntraAfrica trade must be priority . The volume of trade is huge. Potential of growth is enormous . Ethiopia /S.S is a big and rapidly growing market . The current Mbs -Kampala transport corridor must be upgraded for efficiency. work to prosper
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/15/2010 Posts: 454 Location: Nairobi
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limanika wrote:ION today, LAPSSET team has now been placed under direct supervision of the PORK. My greatest measure of his success or failure will be how particular project turns out. Hii PORK nayo ni gani, pliz enlighten us. ....He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion..
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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limanika wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:limanika wrote:The plans were developed 40years ago? Exactly that’s the point. Regional dynamics are changing so much by the day, many may not know that Kenya is no longer East Africa’s biggest economy in GDP terms. Ethiopia is. Sudan is richer than Kenya in GDP terms. Tanzania is catching up very fast. What were the facts 40years ago? The policy makers really need to think outside the box. Boss our road and rail network belongs in the 19th century. As I said before LAPSSET is not even enough for Kenya let alone our neighbours. Honestly I am struggling to understand why you are the only one who thinks that LAPSSET is a waste of resources. Yes the 2 trillion will be borrowed money. At what? 3% interest rate? Now if you develop an economy that extracts and exports a modest 2 million barrels of oil p.a on that line, that is revenue of Sh 16.8 tr. Assuming that net income on that oil is only 10%, that is Sh 1.6 tr. Assuming that the governments share of that income is 25%, that is Sh 500b. So what is the payback period for that pipeline? 5 years? Do you now understand that 2 tr is not as daunting as it seems? Now, economists will tell you that the multiplier effect for infastructure projects suggests a 5 times growth in investment meaning that the 2 tr investment could yield a 10 tr economy within less that 3 years of completion. Do you need any more pursuasion? There was a man known as Isaac Newton who lived in the 17th century. He came up with famous Newton’s laws of motion. These laws of motion ruled the physics world like a colossus for the next 200 years. Until a man known as Albert Einstein came into the scene, and in 20th century proved that Newton’s law of gravity was not exactly correct, replacing it with general relativity. Much earlier than that, everyone believed the universe was earth-centric for thousands of years, until 400 years ago when someone suggested the solar system is sun-centric. It is possible for everyone not to see the logic until someone comes with an ‘Aha!’ moment I also want to take up your offer in debating this. relativity did not replace Newton 1, 2 and 3. Instead what relativity theory did was to improve on Newton's work by demonstrating that the 3 laws + gravity were true for most macroscopic events but not extremely small objects or extremely high speeds. http://www.infoplease.co...motion-relativity.html.
That does not mean that the laws are outdated or useless.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/17/2011 Posts: 627 Location: Mbui-Nzau, Kikumbulyu
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tinker wrote:limanika wrote:ION today, LAPSSET team has now been placed under direct supervision of the PORK. My greatest measure of his success or failure will be how particular project turns out. Hii PORK nayo ni gani, pliz enlighten us. President of the Republic of kwinyaa 
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/17/2011 Posts: 627 Location: Mbui-Nzau, Kikumbulyu
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accelriskconsult wrote:limanika wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:limanika wrote:The plans were developed 40years ago? Exactly that’s the point. Regional dynamics are changing so much by the day, many may not know that Kenya is no longer East Africa’s biggest economy in GDP terms. Ethiopia is. Sudan is richer than Kenya in GDP terms. Tanzania is catching up very fast. What were the facts 40years ago? The policy makers really need to think outside the box. Boss our road and rail network belongs in the 19th century. As I said before LAPSSET is not even enough for Kenya let alone our neighbours. Honestly I am struggling to understand why you are the only one who thinks that LAPSSET is a waste of resources. Yes the 2 trillion will be borrowed money. At what? 3% interest rate? Now if you develop an economy that extracts and exports a modest 2 million barrels of oil p.a on that line, that is revenue of Sh 16.8 tr. Assuming that net income on that oil is only 10%, that is Sh 1.6 tr. Assuming that the governments share of that income is 25%, that is Sh 500b. So what is the payback period for that pipeline? 5 years? Do you now understand that 2 tr is not as daunting as it seems? Now, economists will tell you that the multiplier effect for infastructure projects suggests a 5 times growth in investment meaning that the 2 tr investment could yield a 10 tr economy within less that 3 years of completion. Do you need any more pursuasion? There was a man known as Isaac Newton who lived in the 17th century. He came up with famous Newton’s laws of motion. These laws of motion ruled the physics world like a colossus for the next 200 years. Until a man known as Albert Einstein came into the scene, and in 20th century proved that Newton’s law of gravity was not exactly correct, replacing it with general relativity. Much earlier than that, everyone believed the universe was earth-centric for thousands of years, until 400 years ago when someone suggested the solar system is sun-centric. It is possible for everyone not to see the logic until someone comes with an ‘Aha!’ moment I also want to take up your offer in debating this. relativity did not replace Newton 1, 2 and 3. Instead what relativity theory did was to improve on Newton's work by demonstrating that the 3 laws + gravity were true for most macroscopic events but not extremely small objects or extremely high speeds. http://www.infoplease.co...motion-relativity.html.
That does not mean that the laws are outdated or useless.  and soon the recently discovered particles + Higgs b̶o̶s̶s̶o̶m̶ boson MAY challenge Einsteins works E≠MC² because there could be something faster than C 
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accelriskconsult wrote:limanika wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:limanika wrote:The plans were developed 40years ago? Exactly that’s the point. Regional dynamics are changing so much by the day, many may not know that Kenya is no longer East Africa’s biggest economy in GDP terms. Ethiopia is. Sudan is richer than Kenya in GDP terms. Tanzania is catching up very fast. What were the facts 40years ago? The policy makers really need to think outside the box. Boss our road and rail network belongs in the 19th century. As I said before LAPSSET is not even enough for Kenya let alone our neighbours. Honestly I am struggling to understand why you are the only one who thinks that LAPSSET is a waste of resources. Yes the 2 trillion will be borrowed money. At what? 3% interest rate? Now if you develop an economy that extracts and exports a modest 2 million barrels of oil p.a on that line, that is revenue of Sh 16.8 tr. Assuming that net income on that oil is only 10%, that is Sh 1.6 tr. Assuming that the governments share of that income is 25%, that is Sh 500b. So what is the payback period for that pipeline? 5 years? Do you now understand that 2 tr is not as daunting as it seems? Now, economists will tell you that the multiplier effect for infastructure projects suggests a 5 times growth in investment meaning that the 2 tr investment could yield a 10 tr economy within less that 3 years of completion. Do you need any more pursuasion? There was a man known as Isaac Newton who lived in the 17th century. He came up with famous Newton’s laws of motion. These laws of motion ruled the physics world like a colossus for the next 200 years. Until a man known as Albert Einstein came into the scene, and in 20th century proved that Newton’s law of gravity was not exactly correct, replacing it with general relativity. Much earlier than that, everyone believed the universe was earth-centric for thousands of years, until 400 years ago when someone suggested the solar system is sun-centric. It is possible for everyone not to see the logic until someone comes with an ‘Aha!’ moment I also want to take up your offer in debating this. relativity did not replace Newton 1, 2 and 3. Instead what relativity theory did was to improve on Newton's work by demonstrating that the 3 laws + gravity were true for most macroscopic events but not extremely small objects or extremely high speeds. http://www.infoplease.co...motion-relativity.html.
That does not mean that the laws are outdated or useless. On newton’s laws I think we are saying pretty much the same thing but you are twisting a bit. Thanks. But Einsten proved that the concept of gravitation (read force of gravity) as explained by Newton was totally inaccurate and replaced it with space-time curvature concepts
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wanyee wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:limanika wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:limanika wrote:The plans were developed 40years ago? Exactly that’s the point. Regional dynamics are changing so much by the day, many may not know that Kenya is no longer East Africa’s biggest economy in GDP terms. Ethiopia is. Sudan is richer than Kenya in GDP terms. Tanzania is catching up very fast. What were the facts 40years ago? The policy makers really need to think outside the box. Boss our road and rail network belongs in the 19th century. As I said before LAPSSET is not even enough for Kenya let alone our neighbours. Honestly I am struggling to understand why you are the only one who thinks that LAPSSET is a waste of resources. Yes the 2 trillion will be borrowed money. At what? 3% interest rate? Now if you develop an economy that extracts and exports a modest 2 million barrels of oil p.a on that line, that is revenue of Sh 16.8 tr. Assuming that net income on that oil is only 10%, that is Sh 1.6 tr. Assuming that the governments share of that income is 25%, that is Sh 500b. So what is the payback period for that pipeline? 5 years? Do you now understand that 2 tr is not as daunting as it seems? Now, economists will tell you that the multiplier effect for infastructure projects suggests a 5 times growth in investment meaning that the 2 tr investment could yield a 10 tr economy within less that 3 years of completion. Do you need any more pursuasion? There was a man known as Isaac Newton who lived in the 17th century. He came up with famous Newton’s laws of motion. These laws of motion ruled the physics world like a colossus for the next 200 years. Until a man known as Albert Einstein came into the scene, and in 20th century proved that Newton’s law of gravity was not exactly correct, replacing it with general relativity. Much earlier than that, everyone believed the universe was earth-centric for thousands of years, until 400 years ago when someone suggested the solar system is sun-centric. It is possible for everyone not to see the logic until someone comes with an ‘Aha!’ moment I also want to take up your offer in debating this. relativity did not replace Newton 1, 2 and 3. Instead what relativity theory did was to improve on Newton's work by demonstrating that the 3 laws + gravity were true for most macroscopic events but not extremely small objects or extremely high speeds. http://www.infoplease.co...motion-relativity.html.
That does not mean that the laws are outdated or useless. and soon the recently discovered particles + Higgs b̶o̶s̶s̶o̶m̶ boson MAY challenge Einsteins works E≠MC² because there could be something faster than C It is 100 years since Einstein came up with general relativity. I think it is about time his theory was refined further. Can you take up the challenge?
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