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mkeiyd wrote:Total waste of time going to Einstein's theories. We have our stuff here right now.
To downgrade LAPSSET or not.
I'm of the opinion we stick with it the way it is.
@Limanika, When the British were building the Msa-Kampala line, how busy was all the mass of land in between?
Infrastructure opens up places and MAKES them busy. How are going to export our oil through the current pipeline if i may ask? The damn thing has or is about to outlive its life span anyway.
In developed world and those who wish to develop fast and in organized manner, infrastructure is laid first,then the rest follows.
Ask yourself why development in Kenya is concentrated along the main transport corridors. Ask yourself, why did the british build the lunatic where it is and not at the proposed lapsset route? why is meru town bigger than kibwezi yet kibwezi is on the corridor and meru is not?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/17/2011 Posts: 627 Location: Mbui-Nzau, Kikumbulyu
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Cant wait for the day i will easily start shipping polo ponnies from the Ethiopian highlands ..and yes drive through easily for a st.Georges on the Moyale Ethiopian side ...do you know you don't need a visa to enter Ethiopia?!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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limanika wrote:mkeiyd wrote:Total waste of time going to Einstein's theories. We have our stuff here right now.
To downgrade LAPSSET or not.
I'm of the opinion we stick with it the way it is.
@Limanika, When the British were building the Msa-Kampala line, how busy was all the mass of land in between?
Infrastructure opens up places and MAKES them busy. How are going to export our oil through the current pipeline if i may ask? The damn thing has or is about to outlive its life span anyway.
In developed world and those who wish to develop fast and in organized manner, infrastructure is laid first,then the rest follows.
Ask yourself why development in Kenya is concentrated along the main transport corridors. Ask yourself, why did the british build the lunatic where it is and not at the proposed lapsset route? why is meru town bigger than kibwezi yet kibwezi is on the corridor and meru is not? @Limanika, Is Meru bigger than Nakuru or Eldoret? Other factors are at play,not just the corridor. How big would Meru be had it been located along the main corridors? The British wanted to exploit the white highlands into Uganda, why would they then build a rail line through Garissa for example? Following your school of thought, would it not have been better to build Las Vegas near say Newyork city? Long and short, we need LAPSSET to exploit and open up the north.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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mkeiyd wrote:limanika wrote:mkeiyd wrote:Total waste of time going to Einstein's theories. We have our stuff here right now.
To downgrade LAPSSET or not.
I'm of the opinion we stick with it the way it is.
@Limanika, When the British were building the Msa-Kampala line, how busy was all the mass of land in between?
Infrastructure opens up places and MAKES them busy. How are going to export our oil through the current pipeline if i may ask? The damn thing has or is about to outlive its life span anyway.
In developed world and those who wish to develop fast and in organized manner, infrastructure is laid first,then the rest follows.
Ask yourself why development in Kenya is concentrated along the main transport corridors. Ask yourself, why did the british build the lunatic where it is and not at the proposed lapsset route? why is meru town bigger than kibwezi yet kibwezi is on the corridor and meru is not? @Limanika, Is Meru bigger than Nakuru or Eldoret? Other factors are at play,not just the corridor. How big would Meru be had it been located along the main corridors? The British wanted to exploit the white highlands into Uganda, why would they then build a rail line through Garissa for example? Following your school of thought, would it not have been better to build Las Vegas near say Newyork city? Long and short, we need LAPSSET to exploit and open up the north. Thank you for your opinion. ION, Ethiopia has just managed to divert Blue Nile in order to complete construction of 6,000MW dam. On the other side of the country, Chinese are on the ground busy constructing the Djibouti – Juba electric rail line. At the other tip is the 1800MW Gibe III dam in progress. At the same time, as we speak, Kenyan MPs are fighting tooth and nail for their pay to be increased 130 times the minimum wage. Knowing what Kenya is and with current dynamics at regional level, I see a tunnel called Lapsset at the end of the light.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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limanika wrote:mkeiyd wrote:limanika wrote:mkeiyd wrote:Total waste of time going to Einstein's theories. We have our stuff here right now.
To downgrade LAPSSET or not.
I'm of the opinion we stick with it the way it is.
@Limanika, When the British were building the Msa-Kampala line, how busy was all the mass of land in between?
Infrastructure opens up places and MAKES them busy. How are going to export our oil through the current pipeline if i may ask? The damn thing has or is about to outlive its life span anyway.
In developed world and those who wish to develop fast and in organized manner, infrastructure is laid first,then the rest follows.
Ask yourself why development in Kenya is concentrated along the main transport corridors. Ask yourself, why did the british build the lunatic where it is and not at the proposed lapsset route? why is meru town bigger than kibwezi yet kibwezi is on the corridor and meru is not? @Limanika, Is Meru bigger than Nakuru or Eldoret? Other factors are at play,not just the corridor. How big would Meru be had it been located along the main corridors? The British wanted to exploit the white highlands into Uganda, why would they then build a rail line through Garissa for example? Following your school of thought, would it not have been better to build Las Vegas near say Newyork city? Long and short, we need LAPSSET to exploit and open up the north. Thank you for your opinion. ION, Ethiopia has just managed to divert Blue Nile in order to complete construction of 6,000MW dam. On the other side of the country, Chinese are on the ground busy constructing the Djibouti – Juba electric rail line. At the other tip is the 1800MW Gibe III dam in progress. At the same time, as we speak, Kenyan MPs are fighting tooth and nail for their pay to be increased 130 times the minimum wage. Knowing what Kenya is and with current dynamics at regional level, I see a tunnel called Lapsset at the end of the light. @Lamanika, I tend to agree with your point of view but see the hindrance of our achievement of the Vision more having to do with the New constitution which places bottlenecks on all execution of critical national projects. The hands of critical players are tied and the bickering nature of our politics will not let things happens as s they should. Add vested interests and corruption to the mix and you see a giant wheel that won't move as the movers pull in different directions. If it were to take off, we must have a "bulldozer" executive with a dictator president. If we put more emphasis on the economic side of governance than politics, we can move forward. Siasa yetu won't let there be light at the end of this Lapsset tunnel.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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ION today, LAPSSET team has now been placed under direct supervision of the PORK. My greatest measure of his success or failure will be how particular project turns out.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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Rahatupu wrote:
@Lamanika, I tend to agree with your point of view but see the hindrance of our achievement of the Vision more having to do with the New constitution which places bottlenecks on all execution of critical national projects. The hands of critical players are tied and the bickering nature of our politics will not let things happens as s they should. Add vested interests and corruption to the mix and you see a giant wheel that won't move as the movers pull in different directions.
If it were to take off, we must have a "bulldozer" executive with a dictator president. If we put more emphasis on the economic side of governance than politics, we can move forward. Siasa yetu won't let there be light at the end of this Lapsset tunnel.
@Rahatupu, More like a people's dictator. This democracy thing is like a shaving machine given to a 12 year old boy. Mpaka carpet atanyoa. We should have persued economic liberation before trying political liberation. Suddenly everybody has to be consulted, even the deaf when the discussion is music.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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limanika wrote:mkeiyd wrote:limanika wrote:mkeiyd wrote:Total waste of time going to Einstein's theories. We have our stuff here right now.
To downgrade LAPSSET or not.
I'm of the opinion we stick with it the way it is.
@Limanika, When the British were building the Msa-Kampala line, how busy was all the mass of land in between?
Infrastructure opens up places and MAKES them busy. How are going to export our oil through the current pipeline if i may ask? The damn thing has or is about to outlive its life span anyway.
In developed world and those who wish to develop fast and in organized manner, infrastructure is laid first,then the rest follows.
Ask yourself why development in Kenya is concentrated along the main transport corridors. Ask yourself, why did the british build the lunatic where it is and not at the proposed lapsset route? why is meru town bigger than kibwezi yet kibwezi is on the corridor and meru is not? @Limanika, Is Meru bigger than Nakuru or Eldoret? Other factors are at play,not just the corridor. How big would Meru be had it been located along the main corridors? The British wanted to exploit the white highlands into Uganda, why would they then build a rail line through Garissa for example? Following your school of thought, would it not have been better to build Las Vegas near say Newyork city? Long and short, we need LAPSSET to exploit and open up the north. Thank you for your opinion. ION, Ethiopia has just managed to divert Blue Nile in order to complete construction of 6,000MW dam. On the other side of the country, Chinese are on the ground busy constructing the Djibouti – Juba electric rail line. At the other tip is the 1800MW Gibe III dam in progress. At the same time, as we speak, Kenyan MPs are fighting tooth and nail for their pay to be increased 130 times the minimum wage. Knowing what Kenya is and with current dynamics at regional level, I see a tunnel called Lapsset at the end of the light. So your opinion is that we should accept to play second fiddle ? We should just look at the feats by Ethiopia in wonder. You are telling us that we are not good enough to attempt mighty works, that we can not be masters of our own destiny. The links below are CIA fact sheets on Kenya and Ethiopia. https://www.cia.gov/libr...d-factbook/geos/ke.html
https://www.cia.gov/libr...-factbook/geos/et.html.
You will note that Ethiopia has 35% higher GDP than Kenya but twice Kenya's population hence its per capita GDP is lower than Kenya's. In the last 3 years, Ethiopias GDP has risen faster than that of any economy in subsaharan Africa- http://www.worldbank.org...aising-competitiveness.
The reasons for faster growth include an impressive growth in its roadnetwork...to get produce to the market. It is a well known fact that Kenya has a food problem because of poor infrastructure. Again as I said before the policy hands in government are not dumb people. For them to choose to proceed with the project, the obviously have information that you and I do not have. The best indicator that the government is sure of the feasibility of oil production in Kenya is LAPSSET. LAPPSET is why UK visited South Sudan on his way to the AU summit http://www.standardmedia.../?articleID=2000084304.
Limanika, seek information and you will start understanding why the government is not acting blindly
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