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Why LAPSSET should be downgraded
wanyee
#21 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:05:09 PM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
alma wrote:
very interesting. Can anyone in the know please explain to me why the extremely slow movement to upgrading the Mombasa railway line? It seems every time someone mentions railway on this forum there is a giant sucking sound of silence.


You build infrastructure to cater for national strategic interest just like the US Interstate highway system was primarily built to enable quick evacuation and dispersal of americans from the cities in case of a soviet attack. The mombasa railway line was built to enable the British control east africa all the way to eastern congo. Now in the 1960's to 1970's Uganda was more powerful military wise and unless you are an idiot you wouldn't upgrade that line you will be overrun within hours because 70% of the kenya population lives along the railway line. Upgrading that line is national suicide unless you can defend it. That's why lapsset is more strategically viable it can be easily protected in the northern plains and opens a whole part of the country.


well the over running bit questionable but having a fail-over route is bankable..plus opening up a whole new frontier which the powerful Laikipia conservationists are fighting tooth and nail
kizee1
#22 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:05:18 PM
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someone in gaament shud watch"the men who built America", lapsset is a very minor project compared to what those men accomplished in their day, i believe the government should create enough incentives for private sector financing of infrastructure projects
wanyee
#23 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:23:20 PM
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kizee1 wrote:
someone in gaament shud watch"the men who built America", lapsset is a very minor project compared to what those men accomplished in their day, i believe the government should create enough incentives for private sector financing of infrastructure projects

different times ,dynamics, funding models, legal systems..you can imagine in Kenya you need to contend with the "evil" society...the now regular local community, NEMA, power brokers, conmen , bandits ...the closest we come to akina Cornelius Vanderbilt is kina Dj Ck..may be Trans-century ...or may be even over-haul the huge Saccos into corporates flexible enough that can gamble their huge liquidity..but the again who? they would not ..the story of "the men who built America" is fraught and replete with numerous bankruptcies, liquidations and take-overs d'oh!
limanika
#24 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:40:18 PM
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By creating a railway line passing thro’ and to open northern Kenya alone in itself will not jumpstart our economy. What are Kenya’s major towns and most productive areas? –Nairobi, Nakuru, Nyeri Eldoret, Kisumu, meru etc - 90% of GDP is generated in these areas, and they are the ones that require urgent rail upgrade. Then look at the map and consider relative location of Kampala and Juba and you realise you do not have to borrow 2 Trillions to build Lapsset right now. Northern Kenya can still be served very effectively by road for the next 10 years.
Njung'e
#25 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:47:03 PM
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We may not have money like UAE but i love their Prezzo Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan.He walks to a point and stands there and says,"I want the best and largest hospital here in the next 18 months"....and it is done!(Hiyo ndio kutenda na kusema).I first heard about a standard gauge railway line in Kenya way back in 1992.21 years later,we are still talking big with not even a metre of railway line,standard or otherwise.SAD!
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wanyee
#26 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:52:48 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
We may not have money like UAE but i love their Prezzo Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan.He walks to a point and stands there and says,"I want the best and largest hospital here in the next 18 months"....and it is done!(Hiyo ndio kutenda na kusema).I first heard about a standard gauge railway line in Kenya way back in 1992.21 years later,we are still talking big with not even a metre of railway line,standard or otherwise.SAD!

Its because here we have unnecessary bureaucracy and "enlightened" ones that second guess every move that is made ..sometimes misguided pessimism is confused to be wit whereas it just none-senseLaughing out loudly
FundamentAli
#27 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:47:02 PM
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limanika wrote:
By creating a railway line passing thro’ and to open northern Kenya alone in itself will not jumpstart our economy. What are Kenya’s major towns and most productive areas? –Nairobi, Nakuru, Nyeri Eldoret, Kisumu, meru etc - 90% of GDP is generated in these areas, and they are the ones that require urgent rail upgrade. Then look at the map and consider relative location of Kampala and Juba and you realise you do not have to borrow 2 Trillions to build Lapsset right now. Northern Kenya can still be served very effectively by road for the next 10 years.

Reli will take maendeleo there. Then Nairobians will be sainging Nairobi si Kenya. The potential of spurring growth for new Railway line is huge. Secondly, with projected growth for the region, the current infrastructure (port + railway) are grossly inadequate and will stifle growth. Imagine where Kenya would be if there was no Lunatic Express?
josimar
#28 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:49:38 PM
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very interesting. Can anyone in the know please explain to me why the extremely slow movement to upgrading the Mombasa railway line? It seems every time someone mentions railway on this forum there is a giant sucking sound of silence.


The challenge in this CAPEX projects are power brokers with selfish/political interests, procurement bureaucracy (whenever a bidder makes an appeal the process has to stop), lack of finance from govt and of course the rail operator with the concession is not willing to pump in money for new freight and passenger wagons.
limanika
#29 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:21:56 PM
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FundamentAli wrote:
limanika wrote:
By creating a railway line passing thro’ and to open northern Kenya alone in itself will not jumpstart our economy. What are Kenya’s major towns and most productive areas? –Nairobi, Nakuru, Nyeri Eldoret, Kisumu, meru etc - 90% of GDP is generated in these areas, and they are the ones that require urgent rail upgrade. Then look at the map and consider relative location of Kampala and Juba and you realise you do not have to borrow 2 Trillions to build Lapsset right now. Northern Kenya can still be served very effectively by road for the next 10 years.

Reli will take maendeleo there. Then Nairobians will be sainging Nairobi si Kenya. The potential of spurring growth for new Railway line is huge. Secondly, with projected growth for the region, the current infrastructure (port + railway) are grossly inadequate and will stifle growth. Imagine where Kenya would be if there was no Lunatic Express?


If you wanted to build a high rise flat for rental, and you have two plots one in Mandera the other in Nairobi, which would you build first? Nairobi of course. The analogy is the same with Lapsset, it is a question of priorities. There is need to take a hard look at facts and decide what to prioritise. Ethiopia has already gotten its major fundamentals right and is on a trajectory to take off. Electric power is 100% cheaper in Ethiopia than Kenya and cost of leasing (they do not sell) land to put up industries is affordable. The main question should be: How do we increase competitiveness of Kenyan manufactured goods? Then work backwards from there.
jamplu
#30 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:27:12 PM
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We need to get our priorities right in terms of our infrastructure and stop downplaying what our neighbors are doing.
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