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Why LAPSSET should be downgraded
alma
#11 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:03:14 AM
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wanyee wrote:
check the feasibility report the neighbors are just as a by-the-way


wanyee, we aren't against the project. It's just that some of us easily swayed by people like limunika who write their thoughts in english we can understand.

Telling old men like me to read a feesiberety report is really unfair.

Saidia sisi jameni with your interpretation.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
murchr
#12 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:15:18 AM
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alma wrote:
murchr what limanika is saying is we need to prioritize something and fast. We have had a lot of funfair and media publicity on these grand lapsetts and konza's.

As we were holding press conferences, our neighbours have been working.

Your analogy is assuming that we are living. We are still dreaming of starting to live. Our neighbours have started building. That will lead to the wazua threads of "my neighbour has bought a range rover"

I would be very interested to hear a different opinion. Including laptops and 6% economic growth as MP's increase the wage bill would also add spice to the topic.


What @Limanika doesnt know is that the rail connecting djibouti and ssudan are an extension of Lappset so why shouldnt kenya build its own rail?

The defeatist attitude is starting to take over i see, just because TZ has stated they will build a port, baridi imeingia and yet they have not even started working on it on paper. The construction of the first 3 berths in Lamu has started should we stop building because our neighbors think they can also do it? Who is really dreaming?

I come from the school of thought where you aim at making your competition irrelevant. Let them go ahead, has Daresalaam port ever outshined Msa even with its inefficiencies?

Ethiopians are performers no doubt about it but those who think that the Lamu port only exists to serve Ethiopia and SSudan are completely wrong. Some homework, As an Ethiopian or S.sudanese aiming to export to China, which would be your ideal route....refer to your maps
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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josiah33
#13 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:23:31 AM
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murchr wrote:
alma wrote:
murchr what limanika is saying is we need to prioritize something and fast. We have had a lot of funfair and media publicity on these grand lapsetts and konza's.

As we were holding press conferences, our neighbours have been working.

Your analogy is assuming that we are living. We are still dreaming of starting to live. Our neighbours have started building. That will lead to the wazua threads of "my neighbour has bought a range rover"

I would be very interested to hear a different opinion. Including laptops and 6% economic growth as MP's increase the wage bill would also add spice to the topic.


What @Limanika doesnt know is that the rail connecting djibouti and ssudan are an extension of Lappset so why shouldnt kenya build its own rail?

The defeatist attitude is starting to take over i see, just because TZ has stated they will build a port, baridi imeingia and yet they have not even started working on it on paper. The construction of the first 3 berths in Lamu has started should we stop building because our neighbors think they can also do it? Who is really dreaming?

I come from the school of thought where you aim at making your competition irrelevant. Let them go ahead, has Daresalaam port ever outshined Msa even with its inefficiencies?

Ethiopians are performers no doubt about it but those who think that the Lamu port only exists to serve Ethiopia and SSudan are completely wrong. Some homework, As an Ethiopian or S.sudanese aiming to export to China, which would be your ideal route....refer to your maps

Well, they've just heard your opinion now....smile smile
wanyee
#14 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:31:49 AM
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The corridor also targets the larger hinterland ..Chad, CAR..even Mali..a surge in Intra-Africa trade is in the offing ..better rise to to the occassion
limanika
#15 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 11:55:16 AM
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murchr wrote:
alma wrote:
murchr what limanika is saying is we need to prioritize something and fast. We have had a lot of funfair and media publicity on these grand lapsetts and konza's.

As we were holding press conferences, our neighbours have been working.

Your analogy is assuming that we are living. We are still dreaming of starting to live. Our neighbours have started building. That will lead to the wazua threads of "my neighbour has bought a range rover"

I would be very interested to hear a different opinion. Including laptops and 6% economic growth as MP's increase the wage bill would also add spice to the topic.


What @Limanika doesnt know is that the rail connecting djibouti and ssudan are an extension of Lappset so why shouldnt kenya build its own rail?

The defeatist attitude is starting to take over i see, just because TZ has stated they will build a port, baridi imeingia and yet they have not even started working on it on paper. The construction of the first 3 berths in Lamu has started should we stop building because our neighbors think they can also do it? Who is really dreaming?

I come from the school of thought where you aim at making your competition irrelevant. Let them go ahead, has Daresalaam port ever outshined Msa even with its inefficiencies?

Ethiopians are performers no doubt about it but those who think that the Lamu port only exists to serve Ethiopia and SSudan are completely wrong. Some homework, As an Ethiopian or S.sudanese aiming to export to China, which would be your ideal route....refer to your maps

Read my post again. Nobody is objecting to Lamu port. This should have been built the day before yesterday. What we are saying is that the new Lamu port should be linked to existing Mombasa-Kampala line at Voi for instance. The Mombasa – Kampala existing line should be upgraded to standard gauge YESTERDAY. Cargo volumes to Southern Sudan, Moyale and Southern Ethiopia are not massive and can do with road for now. Railway links can be done in future after we have fixed what is urgent.
Many times when writing feasibility reports, basic fundamentals are ignored because corporations want to get approval of project, attract World Bank funding and make money quick. Indeed feasibility reports are usually tweaked to conceal weaknesses. For instance, the Ethiopia’s GIBE III feasibility report did not even mention Lake Turkana!
Njung'e
#16 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:17:53 PM
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I like your thinking.Prioritise doesn't mean do away with.....But again,i am seeing the same old gaament.Probably even worse than Baks as it seems they will spend the best of their time fighting off ICC......and you can't bet on anything else.KR is 50B in the red while RV concessioning meant,"Get yourself a giant blanket"....Bure Kabisa!
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
alma
#17 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:25:25 PM
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very interesting. Can anyone in the know please explain to me why the extremely slow movement to upgrading the Mombasa railway line? It seems every time someone mentions railway on this forum there is a giant sucking sound of silence.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
mkonomtupu
#18 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:43:15 PM
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alma wrote:
very interesting. Can anyone in the know please explain to me why the extremely slow movement to upgrading the Mombasa railway line? It seems every time someone mentions railway on this forum there is a giant sucking sound of silence.


You build infrastructure to cater for national strategic interest just like the US Interstate highway system was primarily built to enable quick evacuation and dispersal of americans from the cities in case of a soviet attack. The mombasa railway line was built to enable the British control east africa all the way to eastern congo. Now in the 1960's to 1970's Uganda was more powerful military wise and unless you are an idiot you wouldn't upgrade that line you will be overrun within hours because 70% of the kenya population lives along the railway line. Upgrading that line is national suicide unless you can defend it. That's why lapsset is more strategically viable it can be easily protected in the northern plains and opens a whole part of the country.

mibbz
#19 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:51:56 PM
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Allow me to say,i have had the privilege of working and touring some of the marginal regions to be covered by the LAPPSET more specifically the arid and semi arid regions of this country. This project is more that the Ethiopia and Sudan aspect; Its about opening up the most marginalised parts of our country,like Kula Mawe in Isiolo county or Lokichar in Turkana county or even Kisima and Archers Post in Samburu county plus Sololo in Marsabit county. The people in these areas shall benefit from this project in terms of improved infrastructure and access to basics and i assure you Kenyas undiscovered mineral and oil wealth lies in these regions....with or without our neighburing countries we stand to benefit as a country much much much more
alma
#20 Posted : Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:53:41 PM
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thanks mkono
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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