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Rank: Member Joined: 1/13/2009 Posts: 60
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I have come up with a system that charges parking fees for public parkings i.e City Council parking,depending on the number of hours you occupy a parking space as opposed to a flat rate of Kshs 140/- that the Nairobi City Council is currently Charging. The system eliminates corruption and recognises occupation of parking space on a prorata basis and would be more efficient as it eliminates the need to look for a parking attendant.
I however fear that if i submit my proposal to NCC,they may HIJACK the idea as they did ADOPT- A- LIGHT. How can i float the idea to NCC without the risk of them hijacking it?
May we live in interesting times!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/5/2007 Posts: 627
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@Donedeal: It is a done deal! You have already submitted the proposal by posting it here! NCC would heartily thank you if they had the heart!
Immorality: The morality of those who are having a better time!
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/13/2009 Posts: 60
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@Sasha,you mean NCC have my SYSTEM? I doubt. They could read this post for all i care but i doubt they have the expartise and will to execute the idea. They would definately need someone who has invested his time and resources to come up with one.... I have. I challenge them to introduce their own SYSTEM cause it could also be of benefit to me. I mean,i don't see why i should pay 140/= to occupy a parking for 1 hour yet others who park their cars for 8 hours pay the same!
May we live in interesting times!
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/8/2008 Posts: 359
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The NCC hijacking your idea should be the least of your concerns. The problem at the NCC is not a dearth of ideas but rather resistance to new ideas. There are cartels there that will stone wall anything that threatens their top line.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/13/2009 Posts: 60
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@adept. I need a way round these cartels.It is a win-win situation and ALL stand to benefit particulary NCC. So please,can i have solutions on how i can get NCC to adopt my system!
May we live in interesting times!
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/20/2009 Posts: 71
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Book an appointment with the Town Clerk SECURITY STARTS WITH YOU alerts.you@gmail.comwhatever is done in the dark will always come to the light and find its way to bite u in the ass (SO DO THE RIGHT THING EVEN WHEN NO-ONE IS WATCHING)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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@Donedeal; Don't look down on the people at City Hall. They used to have an hourly parking charge system....all the spaces in the CBD had meters and motorists used to feed coins...last time I used them I pain one bob for 15 minutes. That was in the 1980's. People complained that feeding meters with coins every hour was cumbersome and archaic....so the CCN {not NCC as most people call the council] did away with them and introduced the flat rate method. The parking fee is first and foremost intended as a deterrent to discourage people from driving personal cars into the CBD and secondly as a revenue stream for cosmetic maintenance of the road 'furniture'. So your idea is not so new by any standards...perhaps you will now use an electronic meter instead of the mechanical ones that used to be there. If indeed you idea is new,contact a layer and you will be guided on how to protect yourself. In addition,have you considered patenting it? FYI: CCN did not steal Adopt-a-light's idea! Ask yourself why they never sued the council after their contract was cancelled abraptly. The deal was very smelly!! In addition,the street light fitted by the council do not carry any advertising... Behind the gardens...Behind the wall...Under the tree (Including: Red...Dark Blue...Yellow) Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/13/2009 Posts: 60
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@Mukiha,The meter system in the1980's! Woooo,thats ancient... and you say am looking down on them?
As you rightly pointed out,the meter system was archaic but was fair. Introducing the flat rate was only an easier way out but it does not make it right. CCN (If you please) has the resources but lacks the will and expartise to invest in a more suitable system,mark you,since the 80's....and you say am looking down on them!
Parking Fees is supposed to be a deterrent but by all means fair and therefore be prorated on the basis of consumption of the service.The KAPS system being an ideal example.And just so you know,in my system you are charged more if you pay by the hour than you would be charged if you paid for the entire day. So,yes,my system is a deterrent but also fair. Its a win-win system,if you like.
I have approached a Lawyer who is working on the contract document. As for the patent,they take too long and will probably not be honored given our legal system.
FYI*It depends on which side of the divide you are,for me,CCN stole ADOPT-A-LIGHTS idea.....but i guess that is neither here or there so we will leave that for the courts.I only used them as an example to drive my point home. Your point is nevertheless noted.
May we live in interesting times!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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The KAPS system is designed as a business platform. Thus it must be fair and only charge for time spent...although some times I feel cheated when I park for 31 minutes and I'm charged the same as a guy who parked for one hour! This is the the problem with timed parking fees. Nevertheless,in some countries,they have developed systems that accept payment by cellphone and you pay for the exact duration that you parked...to the nearest minute. Perhaps you could give us a hint on how your idea will work.... Behind the gardens...Behind the wall...Under the tree (Including: Red...Dark Blue...Yellow) Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/13/2009 Posts: 60
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@Mukiha,my problem is not whether it works or not.....i am confident i have thought through the flow process,evaluated,tested the system and bounced it off among critics to a point where i know it can work.The elephant in the room is how can i have CCN adopt it and in the process earn from it.
May we live in interesting times!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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@Donedeal; It appears,then,that you are between the devil and the deep blue sea. You have developed a product that can only be used by one prospective customer [CCN] But you fear that if you send a proposal to this prospect,they will steal it from you and not pay you. Now,that is a tough one! Why not change your approach to this whole thing...look at it as a service to the Nairobi community? If you get paid for it,well and good,if you don't,just as well!! Sometimes money is not everything....as I keep telling people,I am the luckiest person in world,I get paid to do something that I would pay for an opportunity to do!! Behind the gardens...Behind the wall...Under the tree (Including: Red...Dark Blue...Yellow) Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2007 Posts: 1,162
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@ Donedeal, it's hard to give anybody such a system and they fail to screw you on the implementation.
Remember there was that guy who sold Mpesa to Safcom and was shafted royally,hata ndururu he did not get.
I know another guy who got the same treatment for an application he gave a demo to safcom
In man prudence,in woman patience - Jacob Cats
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/27/2008 Posts: 70
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Formulating policies on how to manage traffic in the city is the work of the city engineer,not yours! That should tell you something,any staff at city hall who accepts your proposal will be self declaring redundancy. What we can expect is that someone at City Hall will steal you idea,modify slightly and claim to be the initiator. The best you can do,in the circumstances,is to do more research on how the system will reduce traffic congestion,without reducing revenue for the council. Maybe you will even be able to demonstrate that revenue can actually grow with the new system! Then after that,present it to the Town Clerk and provide TANGIBLE proof on how your system can reduce congestion,without affecting the revenue. On implementation,you can propose to be the service provider,in which case the Council pays you a fraction of the money collected every day…If you are so sure of the system,you can tell them that you are ready to receive no pay if it doesn’t work,and to compensate the council for any expense they may incur trying your new system. All this should be in the contract ok? By the way,the greatest headache in the town clerks mind is how they can manage traffic without affecting the cash flow…If that’s what your idea is about,and it’s real smart,then you can go places..
As an Skerian,I acknowledge that I have benefited immensely from the info posted here by others. There4,I promise to assist others in the same way by responding to request for info,as long as am privileged in the subject issue..SK Pledge..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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....I know the guy who developed the KAPS [Kenya Airport Parking System]. He was paid a few hundred thousand bob....it was quite some handsome pay especially because he was still a student at JKUAT at the time. Should he ask for royalties from all the cash that the continue to make from his design? Behind the gardens...Behind the wall...Under the tree (Including: Red...Dark Blue...Yellow) Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 1,883
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Donedeal,you said: 'I have approached a Lawyer who is working on the contract document. As for the patent,they take too long and will probably not be honored given our legal system.' I say: Get yourself a new and competent lawyer. http://s4.gladiatus.com/game/c.php?uid=201640
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/23/2008 Posts: 94
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The guys at NCC will make sure you dont succeed. We had a PJ with NCC and MSA to collect and manage revenue using GIS,at first it was very smooth going and we managed to reduce theft by more than 70%.....Thats one reason Gakuo managed to pay the workers...Then one by one city fathers realised they could not afford fuel and unga ya jogoo since they could not syphon the cash. Thats where mambo ilianza. After the initial contract was over they said they cannot renew because we are being paid too much. We proposed contract renegotiation but all fell to deaf hears,now they are back to old ways of collecting the cash and i believe guys are walking with briefcase full of MANOTI since it cannot be tracked manually. 'woe unto you who think you can convince them about parking and they know very well every parking attendant is supposed to bring something at the end of the day kwa mkubwa'
life is an endless adventure
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/13/2009 Posts: 60
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@Feish,now that you mention it,has it ever crossed your mind that the attendant in a yellow docs coat could be a imposter from Grogan Rd & the ticket he sells you could be as fake as they come? Can NCC verify ALL tickets sold are genuine?Food for thought...
May we live in interesting times!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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....I know the guy who developed the KAPS [Kenya Airport Parking System]. He was paid a few hundred thousand bob....it was quite some handsome pay especially because he was still a student at JKUAT at the time. Mukiha, Can you clarify something. Did the 'developer' of KAPS claim it as an original invention? Because it is not. He could have been paid for installation work or other cosnultancy but the system has been in use in cities all over the world for years. I hope he paid royalties to the inventors whose idea he gained from. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/13/2009 Posts: 60
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How do Public Private Partnerships (PPP) work?
@BAAK,As i said earlier i am 99% sure the system will increase revenue for the council and reduce any incidences of corruption. In addition it will effectively manage traffic flow. What i need is an audience with the relevant people for a presentation and proof of concept.
May we live in interesting times!
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/27/2008 Posts: 70
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Donedeal
I see you have a lot of confidence in what you've come up with..Some issues you may need to bring into the equation:
1. Establish the average daily income that the NCC receives,then subtract expenses,e.g. staff salaries. This should give you their net daily income. YOU MUST PROVE THAT YOUR SYSTEM WILL PROVIDE MORE INCOME.
2. Devise strategies on how to deal with other ideas on easing congestion / stakeholders ..i.e. there are advanced plans by Metropolitan ministry to restrict cars in the city centre,thus dealing with traffic congestion,construction of by passes,expansion of Thika Road,e.tc. YOU MUST PROVE THAT YOUR IDEA WILL YIELD BETTER RESULTS THAN WHAT THESE EFFORTS COULD ACHIEVE
That said,I doubt you have thought through all the uncertainities. me-thinks if one is able to come up with a smart idea that beats all the current plans,then devising ways of convincing NCC should be the easy part...THIS SHOULD PROMPT YOU TO CROSS CHECK THE PROPOSAL
On PPP,one way you can do it is as follws:
Establish the daily net income the council gets from current system. Establish the cost of installing your system. Confirm beyond doubt that it will bring congestion to an end. Determine the daily net income the council stands to gain through your system. Determine the profit/fee you wish to make. Determine the difference bteween what the council makes now and what they stand to make. Tell the council that you wish your fee to come from the extra income -Establish a pay back period - could be 1,2,3 yrs..Time in which you will have paid yourself from the enhanced daily collections.
There are many other factors...also re-read my post below. If I see yr new system in use in the near future,I will know my time wasn't wasted here..
As an Skerian,I acknowledge that I have benefited immensely from the info posted here by others. There4,I promise to assist others in the same way by responding to request for info,as long as am privileged in the subject issue..SK Pledge..
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