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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Mukiri wrote:bkismat wrote:Mukiri wrote:kimiri wrote:Mukiri wrote:kimiri wrote:@ Alph. Not to sound reckless but from experience I have come to believe that to a great extent “Kuishi ni bahati”. Occasionally we have to imbibe otherwise life can become too boring. Even the first miracle by JC was to manufacture wine!  Little knowledge is dangerous! Okay Mr. Know-it-all but in my life I have seen babies suffer and die from cancer and other funny maladies that have nothing to do with alcohol. I thank God for the number of years he has given me but also enjoy life. After all, it is not a rehearsal.  Mbloo, my comment was only in reference to JC turning water into wine( wrongly perceived to be alchohol). Sorry, didn't mean to raise the temperature. I'm of the opinion that certain wines and alcoholic beverages are beneficial to the body and mind. This is very interesting, care to explain. I assume that all wine contains alcohol. Show me in the Bible where you find 'Juice' then we'll dialogue. You can use google, if you wish. And while you are at it, try looking for 'strong drink'. “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”....you think they are talking about grape juice????....lol!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:I know the usual thread of Furahiday will come up soon. I just want say something to those who like this drink. But first, allow me to quote something: Quote:The modern disease theory of alcoholism states that problem drinking is sometimes caused by a disease of the brain, characterized by altered brain structure and function.
The American Medical Association (AMA) had declared that alcoholism was an illness in 1956.
The AMA further endorsed the dual classification of alcoholism by the International Classification of Diseases under both psychiatric and medical sections in 1991. We have to be sympathetic to the alcoholics Today, medical doctors say alcoholism is a disease. And I say to those who will partake:- if alcoholism is a disease then - it is the only disease that is sold in bottles - it is the only disease that is advertised in newspapers, in the magazines, on radio, on TV channels, - it is the only disease that has ar licensed outlet for sale - it is the only disease that gets revenue for many governments of the world - it is the only disease that brings deaths on the high ways - it is the only disease that destroys families - it is the only disease that has no viral or germ as its cause Quran 5:90, Allah says, it is not a disease, it is Satan's handiwork.Quote:O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah],
and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful. Alcohol isn't the same as alcoholism. Information changes brain structure and function. Everything can be good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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McReggae wrote:Mukiri wrote:bkismat wrote:Mukiri wrote:kimiri wrote:Mukiri wrote:kimiri wrote:@ Alph. Not to sound reckless but from experience I have come to believe that to a great extent “Kuishi ni bahati”. Occasionally we have to imbibe otherwise life can become too boring. Even the first miracle by JC was to manufacture wine! Little knowledge is dangerous! Okay Mr. Know-it-all but in my life I have seen babies suffer and die from cancer and other funny maladies that have nothing to do with alcohol. I thank God for the number of years he has given me but also enjoy life. After all, it is not a rehearsal. Mbloo, my comment was only in reference to JC turning water into wine( wrongly perceived to be alchohol). Sorry, didn't mean to raise the temperature. I'm of the opinion that certain wines and alcoholic beverages are beneficial to the body and mind. This is very interesting, care to explain. I assume that all wine contains alcohol. Show me in the Bible where you find 'Juice' then we'll dialogue. You can use google, if you wish. And while you are at it, try looking for 'strong drink'. “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”....you think they are talking about grape juice????....lol!!!! I'm reminded of a mad man who points at others calling them mad. Sijui ama ni mimi ama wewe? 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,910
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Need to drink with care and not every Friday the way Mc.. and company do it. Your families still need you. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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@Mukiri, now who addressed you as mad??.....address you grape juice story!!!! @Angelica, you find every friday a problem????......tembea uone!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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McReggae wrote:@Mukiri, now who addressed you as mad??.....address you grape juice story!!!!
@Angelica, you find every friday a problem????......tembea uone!!!! Ok, I'll indulge you. You go drink all the tuskers (or whatever your poison is) untill you have had too much to drink. I too will drink grape juice till I have had too much to drink. Then, let them bring you a better tasting tusker (or whatever is considered the sweetest alcohol) and let them bring me a sweeter grape juice. Let us see who identifies a difference in taste (If you won't be inebriated). After this, let them call M7 and have him come for his cow. Id be curious to see if he'll come for me or for you?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Mukiri wrote:McReggae wrote:@Mukiri, now who addressed you as mad??.....address you grape juice story!!!!
@Angelica, you find every friday a problem????......tembea uone!!!! Ok, I'll indulge you. You go drink all the tuskers (or whatever your poison is) untill you have had too much to drink. I too will drink grape juice till I have had too much to drink. Then, let them bring you a better tasting tusker (or whatever is considered the sweetest alcohol) and let them bring me a sweeter grape juice. Let us see who identifies a difference in taste (If you won't be inebriated). After this, let them call M7 and have him come for his cow. Id be curious to see if he'll come for me or for you? Wine iliisha ikiwa bado wana hamu that's why Jesus changed the water into wine to quench their thirst, I have never seen anybody who can drink too much juice and still agree to taste more!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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McReggae wrote:Mukiri wrote:McReggae wrote:@Mukiri, now who addressed you as mad??.....address you grape juice story!!!!
@Angelica, you find every friday a problem????......tembea uone!!!! Ok, I'll indulge you. You go drink all the tuskers (or whatever your poison is) untill you have had too much to drink. I too will drink grape juice till I have had too much to drink. Then, let them bring you a better tasting tusker (or whatever is considered the sweetest alcohol) and let them bring me a sweeter grape juice. Let us see who identifies a difference in taste (If you won't be inebriated). After this, let them call M7 and have him come for his cow. Id be curious to see if he'll come for me or for you? Wine iliisha ikiwa bado wana hamu that's why Jesus changed the water into wine to quench their thirst, I have never seen anybody who can drink too much juice and still agree to taste more!!!! Mbloo, do you even see the satire in your statement? 'walikuwa bado na hamu' and what you had highlighted previously 'guests have had too much to drink'. In a wedding people drink alot of sodas, and then some more. As long as celebrations last. In those days, there was no soda. Everything that was made from grapes was collectively called 'Wine'. Alcohol was called 'Strong drink'. Its my prayer that you consider this facts objectively, arguing for arguments sake is foolhardy.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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Mukiri wrote:McReggae wrote:Mukiri wrote:McReggae wrote:@Mukiri, now who addressed you as mad??.....address you grape juice story!!!!
@Angelica, you find every friday a problem????......tembea uone!!!! Ok, I'll indulge you. You go drink all the tuskers (or whatever your poison is) untill you have had too much to drink. I too will drink grape juice till I have had too much to drink. Then, let them bring you a better tasting tusker (or whatever is considered the sweetest alcohol) and let them bring me a sweeter grape juice. Let us see who identifies a difference in taste (If you won't be inebriated). After this, let them call M7 and have him come for his cow. Id be curious to see if he'll come for me or for you? Wine iliisha ikiwa bado wana hamu that's why Jesus changed the water into wine to quench their thirst, I have never seen anybody who can drink too much juice and still agree to taste more!!!! Mbloo, do you even see the satire in your statement? 'walikuwa bado na hamu' and what you had highlighted previously 'guests have had too much to drink'. In a wedding people drink alot of sodas, and then some more. As long as celebrations last. In those days, there was no soda. Everything that was made from grapes was collectively called 'Wine'. Alcohol was called 'Strong drink'. Its my prayer that you consider this facts objectively, arguing for arguments sake is foolhardy. Wine is wine. Can you pleas direct to that Chapter ad verse on Alcohol=Strong drink. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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bkismat wrote:Mukiri wrote:McReggae wrote:Mukiri wrote:McReggae wrote:@Mukiri, now who addressed you as mad??.....address you grape juice story!!!!
@Angelica, you find every friday a problem????......tembea uone!!!! Ok, I'll indulge you. You go drink all the tuskers (or whatever your poison is) untill you have had too much to drink. I too will drink grape juice till I have had too much to drink. Then, let them bring you a better tasting tusker (or whatever is considered the sweetest alcohol) and let them bring me a sweeter grape juice. Let us see who identifies a difference in taste (If you won't be inebriated). After this, let them call M7 and have him come for his cow. Id be curious to see if he'll come for me or for you? Wine iliisha ikiwa bado wana hamu that's why Jesus changed the water into wine to quench their thirst, I have never seen anybody who can drink too much juice and still agree to taste more!!!! Mbloo, do you even see the satire in your statement? 'walikuwa bado na hamu' and what you had highlighted previously 'guests have had too much to drink'. In a wedding people drink alot of sodas, and then some more. As long as celebrations last. In those days, there was no soda. Everything that was made from grapes was collectively called 'Wine'. Alcohol was called 'Strong drink'. Its my prayer that you consider this facts objectively, arguing for arguments sake is foolhardy. Wine is wine. Can you pleas direct to that Chapter ad verse on Alcohol=Strong drink. Kumbe even in the church they smoke some string stuff: "Ephesians 5:18: "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit." "Proverbs 23:20f: "Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags." "Gen. 9:21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent." ........and many many more @Mukiri in the contexts above, is wine still grape juice in the bible???? ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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bkismat wrote:Mukiri wrote:McReggae wrote:Mukiri wrote:McReggae wrote:@Mukiri, now who addressed you as mad??.....address you grape juice story!!!!
@Angelica, you find every friday a problem????......tembea uone!!!! Ok, I'll indulge you. You go drink all the tuskers (or whatever your poison is) untill you have had too much to drink. I too will drink grape juice till I have had too much to drink. Then, let them bring you a better tasting tusker (or whatever is considered the sweetest alcohol) and let them bring me a sweeter grape juice. Let us see who identifies a difference in taste (If you won't be inebriated). After this, let them call M7 and have him come for his cow. Id be curious to see if he'll come for me or for you? Wine iliisha ikiwa bado wana hamu that's why Jesus changed the water into wine to quench their thirst, I have never seen anybody who can drink too much juice and still agree to taste more!!!! Mbloo, do you even see the satire in your statement? 'walikuwa bado na hamu' and what you had highlighted previously 'guests have had too much to drink'. In a wedding people drink alot of sodas, and then some more. As long as celebrations last. In those days, there was no soda. Everything that was made from grapes was collectively called 'Wine'. Alcohol was called 'Strong drink'. Its my prayer that you consider this facts objectively, arguing for arguments sake is foolhardy. Wine is wine. Can you pleas direct to that Chapter ad verse on Alcohol=Strong drink. Like I said, Everything that was made from grapes was collectively referred to as 'Wine'. Alcoholic drinks were specifically refered to as 'Strong drink'. Its why you won't find 'Juice' in the Bible. Here are a few Proverbs 31:6-7 Give strong drink to the one who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress; let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more. Proverbs 31:4-7 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine, or for rulers to take strong drink, lest they drink and forget what has been decreed and pervert the rights of all the afflicted. Give strong drink to the one who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress; let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more. Proverbs 20:1-7 Wine is a mocker, Strong drink is a brawler, And whoever is led astray by it is not wise.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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@Mukiri, seems you replied before reading my reply above: Wine is wine Strong drink is things like spirits ala chang'aa whci have also been there from time immemorial!!!!......now say how my verses are not from the bible!!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/26/2008 Posts: 2,097
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Angelica _ann wrote:Need to drink with care and not every Friday the way Mc.. and company do it. Your families still need you. We drink with care.., not just Fridays alone but any other day.  "Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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Good People, My old man used to imbibe the thing for as long as i could remember him. What i went through with him as the eldest son, the pain it caused my mother, his missed opportunities until the doctor told him no more and he stopped it, i would never wish even my worst enemy to glorify the brown bottle. My own brothers took it up after him and the damage it has called them is painful. I vowed a silent promise to my mother that i would never touch it and surely i have never. If you have not tasted it, dont. If you are in, try to get out. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Tebes wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Need to drink with care and not every Friday the way Mc.. and company do it. Your families still need you. We drink with care.., not just Fridays alone but any other day. Yeah, that is how we do it!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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McReggae wrote:bkismat wrote:Mukiri wrote:McReggae wrote:Mukiri wrote:McReggae wrote:@Mukiri, now who addressed you as mad??.....address you grape juice story!!!!
@Angelica, you find every friday a problem????......tembea uone!!!! Ok, I'll indulge you. You go drink all the tuskers (or whatever your poison is) untill you have had too much to drink. I too will drink grape juice till I have had too much to drink. Then, let them bring you a better tasting tusker (or whatever is considered the sweetest alcohol) and let them bring me a sweeter grape juice. Let us see who identifies a difference in taste (If you won't be inebriated). After this, let them call M7 and have him come for his cow. Id be curious to see if he'll come for me or for you? Wine iliisha ikiwa bado wana hamu that's why Jesus changed the water into wine to quench their thirst, I have never seen anybody who can drink too much juice and still agree to taste more!!!! Mbloo, do you even see the satire in your statement? 'walikuwa bado na hamu' and what you had highlighted previously 'guests have had too much to drink'. In a wedding people drink alot of sodas, and then some more. As long as celebrations last. In those days, there was no soda. Everything that was made from grapes was collectively called 'Wine'. Alcohol was called 'Strong drink'. Its my prayer that you consider this facts objectively, arguing for arguments sake is foolhardy. Wine is wine. Can you pleas direct to that Chapter ad verse on Alcohol=Strong drink. Kumbe even in the church they smoke some string stuff: "Ephesians 5:18: "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit." "Proverbs 23:20f: "Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags." "Gen. 9:21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent." ........and many many more @Mukiri in the contexts above, is wine still grape juice in the bible???? Read this
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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McReggae wrote:@Mukiri, seems you replied before reading my reply above:
Wine is wine
Strong drink is things like spirits ala chang'aa whci have also been there from time immemorial!!!!......now say how my verses are not from the bible!!!!! Read this or Wikipedia
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/6/2010 Posts: 741 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:
"Ephesians 5:18: "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit."
Hapana waste your time with ati oohh sijui Four Cousins, Penasol ama grape juice. Tembea na Smirnoff Vodka....Perfectly distilled Vodka  hehehehehehehehehehe BTW, @ Mukiri and @ McReggae what are you guys arguing about?????? I think, kama mtu anapenda drink hiyo ni yake, kama mtu hapendi drink hiyo pia ni yake. hii maneno ya ohhh ohh am nicer and cleaner than you, hakuna kitu kama hio!!! hehehehehe Okay clearly its a Friday. PS: Please dont call me a nipple
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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chepkel wrote:McReggae wrote:
"Ephesians 5:18: "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit."
Hapana waste your time with ati oohh sijui Four Cousins, Penasol ama grape juice. Tembea na Smirnoff Vodka....Perfectly distilled Vodka hehehehehehehehehehe BTW, @ Mukiri and @ McReggae what are you guys arguing about?????? I think, kama mtu anapenda drink hiyo ni yake, kama mtu hapendi drink hiyo pia ni yake. hii maneno ya ohhh ohh am nicer and cleaner than you, hakuna kitu kama hio!!! hehehehehe Okay clearly its a Friday. PS: Please dont call me a nipple My sister (I hope with nipples?) si you'd have taken time to browse the thread before using strong words? Nobody is cleaner than anybody, nobody has insinuated so, unless they are Jesus Christ!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,910
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chepkel wrote:McReggae wrote:
"Ephesians 5:18: "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit."
Hapana waste your time with ati oohh sijui Four Cousins, Penasol ama grape juice. Tembea na Smirnoff Vodka....Perfectly distilled Vodka hehehehehehehehehehe BTW, @ Mukiri and @ McReggae what are you guys arguing about?????? I think, kama mtu anapenda drink hiyo ni yake, kama mtu hapendi drink hiyo pia ni yake. hii maneno ya ohhh ohh am nicer and cleaner than you, hakuna kitu kama hio!!! hehehehehe Okay clearly its a Friday. PS: Please dont call me a nipple @Mukiri is trying to save livers, souls and families but the men are very stubborn. sister you have joined them. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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