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Rollout wrote:murchr wrote:Rollout wrote:murchr wrote:Rollout wrote:mawinder wrote:Muheani wrote:As long As The West Doesnt Allow Their People To Be Tried by The Icc..
As long As the Icc Is A Political Arm Of The West In Africa
I Support the Move Fully DITTO!!! This is silly coming from an ordinary Kenyan, if you don't like ICC then don't kill each other or atleast if you do please find someone guilty. ICC is a political arm? Give me a break, the West did not sent Mungiki to Naivashia and Nakuru, the West did not sent Kales to raid Eldoret, the west did not issue shoot to kill in Kisumu. If Kenya was raiding Uganda, I would be more supportive but Kenyans killing other Kenyans and we are comparing that to War in Iraq are we delusional as a country? If you dont see the political twist to this court then I must say you are very naive and blinded by the west koolaid. As for your grammar jamaa bana Kenyans don't write like that. Did the prosecutor of this court carry out investigations or he was carried away by the gossip of the day? What political twist? some people were left out? Well ICC was clear from the start that they only wanted those with the highest responsibility, the guy you wanted to be on the list is possibly number 7, too bad the cut off was top 6. What makes you think prosecutor don't have any evidences? Isn't it what your delusional mind is telling you? Koolaid? It is not koolaid, it is called independent mind. Kenyans don't write like I do? Well, I guess then good grammar cannot cover up for short fall in thinking process, atleast in your case. What measures highest responsibility? We all know the people with the highest responsibility in this matter were the protagonists (Raia and Mwai) If indeed those b4 the court now committed the crimes, who were they working for? So far the court has done away with 3 out of the 6 who were accused, one judge found the whole process a waste of time, doesn't that tell you something is really wrong with what was presented b4 this court? I respect your independent thinking and i expect you to respect my opinion of you being very naive. First, I think you are confusing the moral responsibility and legal responsibility, Mwai and RAO could be morally responsible from the fact that the 4 were working for them, but unless they directed the four to commit the crimes they are alleged to have committed, MWai and RAO cannot be legally responsible for those crimes committed by the 4. Assuming that Mwai and RAO is guilty just because the accussed worked for them is just a stretch if not outright lack of knowhow, Criminal responsibility is different from civil responsibility. ICC is a criminal court not a civil court. Secondly, It is a little laughable when we have to use an opinion by one judge to make a conclusion it actually shows the deficits we have when it come to independent thinking, infact there is a disconnect between using the word, "one judge,"..... and "something is really wrong," How can something be really wrong when one judge out of more than 2 disagree??????Really? Lastly, I don't have a problem if you call me what you think I am (naive) and you shouldn't have a problem if I call you what I think you are and that is F***ing idiot, Ooops excuse my language. @Rollout, I once had the mindset like yours..... I completely believed in ICC. All along actually, until they discussed it in the house and the issues they brought out were of grave concern. ICC is not political proof... check out the ICC bit of it. it is not entirely independent and that is definitely a cause for concern.... It is true we need to seek justice, but where are we getting this "Justice" from? this article left a sour taste in my mouth and i do not have the same "naive" faith i had with this court. Am not saying we do away with ICC, all am saying is that even in ICC, there can be bias. go on, read, if you havent already.... particularly the ICC bit http://www.jambonewspot....cusses-policy-on-kenya/
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:Rollout wrote:maka wrote:Emancipate yourselves from mental
slavery;
None but ourselves can free our
minds.
Have no fear for atomic energy,
'Cause none of them can stop the
time.
How long shall they kill our
prophets,
While we stand aside and look?
Ooh!
Some say it's just a part of it:
We've got to fullfil the book. smoking something?????? "It is a dangerous theory of economic and political reformation because it seeks to put government in the hands of an ignorant white mass who have not been able to destroy their natural prejudices towards Negroes and other non-white people. While it may be a good thing for them, it will be a bad thing for the Negroes who will fall under the government of the most ignorant, prejudiced class of the white race" Marcus Garvey Haile Selaisse had lions. When he was overthrown they fed on him Lij Tafarri Makkonen Does anyone of you know about bloody Saturday? On 23 November 1974, sixty former high officials of the imperial government of Haile Selaisse were executed without trial. The executed included Haile Selassie's grandson and two former Prime Ministers. These killings are known in Ethiopia as "Bloody Saturday" Jamaica has a holiday called Grounation day Its the day that Haile went to Jamaica for the first time.21st April 1966. Over 500.000 rastafarians and other Jamaicans came to see him at the Airport. The Messiah had arrived... The crowd was so huge he was unable to alight for 4 hours... The haze of ganja smoke was so thick that the sun was blacked out in the fog... Did i read somewhere that the guy had refused to aliggt from the plane? And it took the then Jamaican PM to pursuade the 'little small man' Rita marleys words,not mine, to get out and greet those crazy folks taking him for who he was not? The 4 hrs were due to negotiations... not the awe of the crowd.. he didnt want them or 'anytin afi do widem'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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poundfoolish wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:Rollout wrote:maka wrote:Emancipate yourselves from mental
slavery;
None but ourselves can free our
minds.
Have no fear for atomic energy,
'Cause none of them can stop the
time.
How long shall they kill our
prophets,
While we stand aside and look?
Ooh!
Some say it's just a part of it:
We've got to fullfil the book. smoking something?????? "It is a dangerous theory of economic and political reformation because it seeks to put government in the hands of an ignorant white mass who have not been able to destroy their natural prejudices towards Negroes and other non-white people. While it may be a good thing for them, it will be a bad thing for the Negroes who will fall under the government of the most ignorant, prejudiced class of the white race" Marcus Garvey Haile Selaisse had lions. When he was overthrown they fed on him Lij Tafarri Makkonen Does anyone of you know about bloody Saturday? On 23 November 1974, sixty former high officials of the imperial government of Haile Selaisse were executed without trial. The executed included Haile Selassie's grandson and two former Prime Ministers. These killings are known in Ethiopia as "Bloody Saturday" Jamaica has a holiday called Grounation day Its the day that Haile went to Jamaica for the first time.21st April 1966. Over 500.000 rastafarians and other Jamaicans came to see him at the Airport. The Messiah had arrived... The crowd was so huge he was unable to alight for 4 hours... The haze of ganja smoke was so thick that the sun was blacked out in the fog... Did i read somewhere that the guy had refused to aliggt from the plane? And it took the then Jamaican PM to pursuade the 'little small man' Rita marleys words,not mine, to get out and greet those crazy folks taking him for who he was not? The 4 hrs were due to negotiations... not the awe of the crowd.. he didnt want them or 'anytin afi do widem' What's with Ethiopians and mistaken identities.... nilidhani Mathenge was the first.... and the crowd is always at the "airports"....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Wendz wrote:What's with Ethiopians and mistaken identities.... nilidhani Mathenge was the first.... and the crowd is always at the "airports".... What have I done?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Africa itoke ICC....chida iko waphi????? ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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What is it that AU has done exceptionally well? Two examples would suffice.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/26/2008 Posts: 90
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murchr wrote:Rollout wrote:murchr wrote:Rollout wrote:mawinder wrote:Muheani wrote:As long As The West Doesnt Allow Their People To Be Tried by The Icc..
As long As the Icc Is A Political Arm Of The West In Africa
I Support the Move Fully DITTO!!! This is silly coming from an ordinary Kenyan, if you don't like ICC then don't kill each other or atleast if you do please find someone guilty. ICC is a political arm? Give me a break, the West did not sent Mungiki to Naivashia and Nakuru, the West did not sent Kales to raid Eldoret, the west did not issue shoot to kill in Kisumu. If Kenya was raiding Uganda, I would be more supportive but Kenyans killing other Kenyans and we are comparing that to War in Iraq are we delusional as a country? If you dont see the political twist to this court then I must say you are very naive and blinded by the west koolaid. As for your grammar jamaa bana Kenyans don't write like that. Did the prosecutor of this court carry out investigations or he was carried away by the gossip of the day? What political twist? some people were left out? Well ICC was clear from the start that they only wanted those with the highest responsibility, the guy you wanted to be on the list is possibly number 7, too bad the cut off was top 6. What makes you think prosecutor don't have any evidences? Isn't it what your delusional mind is telling you? Koolaid? It is not koolaid, it is called independent mind. Kenyans don't write like I do? Well, I guess then good grammar cannot cover up for short fall in thinking process, atleast in your case. What measures highest responsibility? We all know the people with the highest responsibility in this matter were the protagonists (Raia and Mwai) If indeed those b4 the court now committed the crimes, who were they working for? So far the court has done away with 3 out of the 6 who were accused, one judge found the whole process a waste of time, doesn't that tell you something is really wrong with what was presented b4 this court? I respect your independent thinking and i expect you to respect my opinion of you being very naive. I hope you can differentiate between criminal responsibility and political responsibility.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Could someone explain to me the reasons "we" got in in the first place and whether those reasons still exist?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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http://www.standardmedia...lliam-ruto&pageNo=1
““I do this in appreciation of the fact that the Rome Statute whose contents I have familiarized myself with over time requires that a trial must be based on truth and that there must be impartial investigations.......I am aware that several other people were recruited as witnesses. The office of the prosecutor never conducted any investigations on the ground as the basis for what they are calling my testimony. It would be a matter of interest to the chamber for the prosecution to produce the audio tapes/recordings done in Arusha and those done in the Netherlands for the court to compare and make a finding on whether the contents of the two sets of recordings are the same,” Witness No. 8
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