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Tito44
#441 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2013 9:01:48 AM
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I would like to run an electric cable across the compound to the gate - for security lights. The distance is about 70metres. I was just wondering whether it is cheaper to run the twin-with-add cable in a conduit (High density PE Pipe) like the one used by fibre optic cables along the roads, instead of the armored cable. And is it safe? Tafadhali advise
Foz00
#442 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2013 9:13:18 AM
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Tito44 wrote:
I would like to run an electric cable across the compound to the gate - for security lights. The distance is about 70metres. I was just wondering whether it is cheaper to run the twin-with-add cable in a conduit (High density PE Pipe) like the one used by fibre optic cables along the roads, instead of the armored cable. And is it safe? Tafadhali advise


this is over kill, do a 1 foot trench lay the normal elec conduits, arrange hardcore ontop of the pipe(incase of future trenching the stone is hit first),backfill and take enough photos to mark the location.
seppuku
#443 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:34:16 AM
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Anyone knows how much of a 120 square meter 3 bed-roomed maisonette you could put up with a million bob. The plot is flat and on red soil. I am hoping for foundation, slab, roof and walling for the ground floor with 2 rooms finished enough for immediate habitation (including electricity and water). Je, yawezekana?
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a4architect.com
#444 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:30:50 PM
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@seppuku..it will depend on the class of building materials and labour you intend to achieve. If you intend to use high class material and labour eg karen, muthaiga, runda areas, the kes 1m will build you kes1m/kes 40,000=25m2.
For middle class, this will give you 1m/30000=33m2 and for the lowest class of materials and labour, this will give you kes 1m/17,000=58m2.
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seppuku
#445 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:48:30 PM
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@a4architect. Thanks for your answer and for being ever so helpful. If it is not too much trouble, how do I think about these figures from the stand point of phased construction? That's what I am trying to wrap my head around. Like how do I estimate how much I need before I can move into this type of house and complete the rest while living there?
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#446 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:18:17 PM
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seppuku wrote:
Anyone knows how much of a 120 square meter 3 bed-roomed maisonette you could put up with a million bob. The plot is flat and on red soil. I am hoping for foundation, slab, roof and walling for the ground floor with 2 rooms finished enough for immediate habitation (including electricity and water). Je, yawezekana?

If you have jus 1m, another alternative is go buy another plot in a high potential area and continue saving. Sell the plot after 3 -5 years, and use proceeds + savings to build something decent. Then come back to Wazua to thank me.
seppuku
#447 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:41:50 PM
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@limanika, where would that be (high potential area)? To how much do you reckon it would appreciate?
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#448 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:49:40 PM
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@seppuku..in high class finishes, 25m2 is more like a bedsitter.
In middle class, 33m2 is more like a 1 bedroomed.
In low class finishes,58m2 is more like a regular sized 2 bedroomed unit.
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seppuku
#449 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:33:17 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@seppuku..in high class finishes, 25m2 is more like a bedsitter.
In middle class, 33m2 is more like a 1 bedroomed.
In low class finishes,58m2 is more like a regular sized 2 bedroomed unit.


@a4architect, excuse me for being stubborn but I am still not answered.I have my mind made up about the size of house I want in the end. As for the finishing, let's go with middle. How much (of this house) can the million complete? I have absolutely no intention of putting up a bedsitter or 1-br with the money. If the money cannot build this type of house to a habitable point, let me know as much. Thanks, once again.
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#450 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:05:53 PM
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@seppuku..for middle calss finishes, kes 1m can only take you to 1 bedroomed of 33m2. You can make this as phase 1 with the final 120m2 desired as the last phase depending on your financial strength. The rest of the building can be designed to increase with phases as time goes by.
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#451 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:08:20 PM
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or maybe you can construct using materials of a clas between low cost and middle cost and balance between the low cost materilas vs your space needs then see how far this will take you in between a possible 1 bedroomed vs a possible 2 bedroomed.
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seppuku
#452 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:11:55 PM
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Thanks @a4architect. To say you can build a regular (well, maybe not so regular) 1-bd that will somehow morph over time into a 3bd maisonette? If that is the correct understanding then it does sound like a good strategy. Just can't imagine it in my head though. But then again, isn't that why I was asking?
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seppuku
#453 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:16:33 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
or maybe you can construct using materials of a clas between low cost and middle cost and balance between the low cost materilas vs your space needs then see how far this will take you in between a possible 1 bedroomed vs a possible 2 bedroomed.


No. I think all factors considered, I'd rather a classier 1bd than a less-classy 2bd.
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#454 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:26:17 PM
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@Seppuku..the wearer of the shoe knows best where it pinches most.The space you need depends on the number of people you propose to house, your aesthetic preferences and your budget.
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seppuku
#455 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:28:46 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@Seppuku..the wearer of the shoe knows best where it pinches most.The space you need depends on the number of people you propose to house, your aesthetic preferences and your budget.


And there you heard it from the wearer's mouth! About the morphing... see my other post... is my understanding correct?
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#456 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:58:36 PM
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Ok. a classier 1 bedroomed is fine for you. If i was the one making the choise, i would have chosen a less classy 2 bedroomed since finishes can always be slowly upgraded over time eg floor tiles, fancy wall paint, new roof cover, new kitchen cabinets plus wardrobes, fancy taps etc etc
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seppuku
#457 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:53:09 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
Ok. a classier 1 bedroomed is fine for you. If i was the one making the choise, i would have chosen a less classy 2 bedroomed since finishes can always be slowly upgraded over time eg floor tiles, fancy wall paint, new roof cover, new kitchen cabinets plus wardrobes, fancy taps etc etc


But doesn't this mean buying (and putting up) the same things twice? That would be expensive in the long run, wouldn't it?
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Capri
#458 Posted : Friday, May 31, 2013 4:10:15 PM
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@all, thanks for the contributions that have made this a reference thread in matters construction. I have a query about phased construction in another sense.

I am considering a project for a 5 floor flat, approx 210sqm per floor. What I am thinking is:
- Construct the entire structure as a shell/frame first i.e foundation, columns, slabs and probably roof.
- Do the masonry next, filling in the walls from the ground floor up.
- Put in the windows, doors, stair & balcony guard rails etc
- Progress to finishing of individual units.
- External works etc

My reasoning is that I'd have finished with mambo za chuma, kokoto na koroga kwanza, and also probably save a bit buying the materials in bulk.
Secondly would then pace the stages depending on availability of funds.
Third would be able to finish up individual units or floors without too much interference with existing tenants, as opposed to say finishing 2 floors completely and then later adding the rest.

Now my queries are:
1. Are there any drawbacks to this kind of plan i.e by not following the usual construction sequence ?
2. Is there a guideline on what %age of cost can be attributed to each stage as outlined above ? Had noted @a4architect's breakdown of foundation, ring beam/columns, walling & roofing being 50% to 60 % of total cost, not sure if this applies to flats as well. If so then would be glad to know what %age can be attributed to walling alone.

Input appreciated.
a4architect.com
#459 Posted : Friday, May 31, 2013 5:20:58 PM
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@ssepuku...it means some finishes will be omitted eg floor tiles, wardrobes, ceiling etc etc

@capri
1. its more prudent when all your money spent goes to work for you in terms of rent. Constructing the shell then finishing it up will nean you are parking several million without any return as opposed to completing one floor then receiving rent as you wait for more money.
2. the frame will be approx. 50%. Walling will be 10%. Windows, doors, railings will be 10% and finishes will be 30% approximately. A QS will be more accurate on this.
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Capri
#460 Posted : Friday, May 31, 2013 9:21:20 PM
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@a4architect
Fully agree with the reasoning behind starting to get returns on the investment, my main worry was getting complacent after doing 2 or 3 complete floors; restarting construction after having stopped completely would then be a little daunting, esp if cost of materials will then have risen.

Many thanks for the %age split and will of course get a BQ. This gives me an idea of how far I can take the project with an initial lumpsum, then probably consider getting a loan to complete…

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