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Neither Uhuru nor Raila got 50%+1 says exit poll
maka
#11 Posted : Saturday, May 04, 2013 8:57:43 PM
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you guys keep bringing up dead and buried stuff...why now....
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thuks
#12 Posted : Saturday, May 04, 2013 9:07:24 PM
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And out of the 6k , 12% did not respond. I wonder why yet they voted.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, May 04, 2013 9:29:15 PM
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what do the two idiots want after "their" results?
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matata
#14 Posted : Saturday, May 04, 2013 10:37:48 PM
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R they the ones who voted or Kenyans? Shame on them if at all there waiting for Kenyans to shed blood
MaichBlack
#15 Posted : Saturday, May 04, 2013 10:40:49 PM
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guru267 wrote:
They interviewed 6,000 people only!

can anyone tell me what is 6,000 divided by 12,000,000 votes cast??

@guru - Some people have problems!!! Just leave them to wallow in their stupidity! Even an idiot knows that 100% is more accurate than a SAMPLE of any size!

Exit polls are done to ATTEMPT to predict the outcome of the election. NOT the reverse!

And it would be EXTREMELY difficult to conduct exit polls in Kenya! Here are the reasons:-

1) While sampling, you have to cater for the voting patterns expected in that particular election. I can take a sample from Mombasa, Kisumu and Machakos while someone else takes from Kiambu, Eldoret and Nakuru. Of course the results would be different like day and night! Even in the same city like Nairobi, a sample from Kibra would yield totally different results from a sample from Kasarani!

2) Weighted averages! You have to consider the number of registered voters in a certain area while deciding the relative number of respondents. You cannot select 10 respondents from area A with 2000 registered voters and that predominantly supports party X and 10 respondents from area B that has 100,000 registered voters and that predominantly supports party Y and then you tells us that your "results" show that the two parties are tied!

And even the other polling companies in Kenya don't take this into consideration when doing their sampling!!!

The truth of the matter is that you would need a HUGE budget and human resource to conduct even a remotely respectable exit poll. You need to capture all constituencies - different polling stations - and weight you sample sizes depending on the number of registered voters!!! The age groups and gender distribution should also reflect the distribution in the voter register!
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MaichBlack
#16 Posted : Saturday, May 04, 2013 11:00:05 PM
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githundi wrote:
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/poll-finds-neither-Kenyatta-nor-Odinga-were-close-to-50-per-cent/-/1064/1842274/-/3hfnu1/-/index.html Gives Rao 94 % of Luo Votes as opposed to actual figures of 99%. Gives Uk 83% and 74% of Kky and kale vote as opposed to about 95% and 90% respectively. Wonder where the guy was getting his data.

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Kale Vote [apparently]: - Uhuru 74%.; Raila - 11%. And the remaining 15%? Dida? Muite? Nonsensical data! Stupid mzungus!! You fly in here without clearly understanding the geopolitical realities and conduct a half a$$ poll and seek to contradict a two digit billion election that was given a clean bill of health by ALL the observers?

I'd love to see their sampling method and distribution!
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masukuma
#17 Posted : Saturday, May 04, 2013 11:09:05 PM
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I am a firm believer of the fact that "Numbers don't lie"! during the 2013 March Election we had a total number of 12 million people voting and if they conducted an exit poll of 6000 of whom 12% refused to answer thus the findings are from 5280 voters - which is a good sample size as it gives a 1.77 assuming uniform response distribution. I would assume that their sample was distributed across the country based on numbers of people who registered to vote in those areas and not by overrall population if they didn't they would suffer the tyranny of numbers on their sample - however I assume they did. I would also like to know if they suffered a similar fate to Tom Wolf (people lied to them - very difficult to tell) secondly if their sample size was representative of turnout or did they just pick a fixed number of people per station prior to election day and stuck to that regardless of how many people showed up.
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#18 Posted : Sunday, May 05, 2013 8:34:50 AM
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Hard to pass conclusive judgement until I see their raw data and complete report. My contentions.

1. Like @Maich says, sampling in Kenya for political opinion polls has nuances that are game changers most important being our chronically tribal voting. If for Nairobi you sample Kibera, Mathare and Makadara versus Roysambu, Dagoretti and Embakassi expect vastly different results.

2. The survey may be right but their assertions/assumptions could be wrong. From a casual scan, I can already see 12% declined to respond. Where were these 12% from? From their report on how ethnic groups voted, they say 94% Luos voted Odinga but only 83% of Kikuyus and 74% of Kales voted Uhuru. Even if you factor Odinga's Kiuk-Kale votes, it is already self-evident that a good chunk of these 2 ethnic groups declined to respond to the exit poll.

3. Harvard professors are not infallible - Remember this major scandal discovered just last month. "Economists have been astonished to find that a famous academic paper often used to make the case for austerity cuts contains major errors. Another surprise is that the mistakes, by two eminent Harvard professors, were spotted by a student doing his homework."
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sparkly
#19 Posted : Sunday, May 05, 2013 9:22:48 AM
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63% of the Kambas voted for RAO and 12% voted for UMK.

Whom did the remaining 25% vote for?
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MaichBlack
#20 Posted : Sunday, May 05, 2013 10:20:49 AM
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sparkly wrote:
63% of the Kambas voted for RAO and 12% voted for UMK.

Whom did the remaining 25% vote for?

These two "professors" are a big joke! For starters, they should Google Simpson's Paradox. Then they read about stratified sampling. And after that, they explain if they used stratified sampling in their poll, the strata/different "unique" (internally homogeneous) groups they identified, the weight they accorded to each and what informed those decisions.
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