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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
mwekez@ji
#201 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 10:01:27 PM
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#FYR_Expectations cc @obiero eN al
obiero
#202 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 10:35:57 PM
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obiero wrote:
FYR to be released on 14.06.2013 should settle/unsettle all nerves

post #146

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
hisah
#203 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:54:07 AM
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QW25091985 wrote:
i'll just buy this thing coz the index is looking to be in an up move . so guys will be bullish. its just a matter of time

Stated on April 3 2012. One year later price is still stuck at the basement...

Btw we do need QW to spice up the forum esp when the nse is not cooperating upwards...
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hisah
#204 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 8:00:36 AM
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obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
FYR to be released on 14.06.2013 should settle/unsettle all nerves

post #146

I wonder why they chose the same day like mpesa bank. One firm will be reporting rosy results while another will be giving excuses on boeing plane delays, oil price hedges, al shabaab, elections, eurozone crisis, kenya courts against us, staff baggage et al. Will kq stream their excuses results?
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hisah
#205 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 8:15:36 AM
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jerry wrote:
QW25091985 wrote:
Aiiish. This stock is to beaten down. There'll be no sell off.
Anything below 20 bob is a buy b'coz rights price will be at 20 bob.

I'm ready to put in Ksh1M if it touches 16/=.

Jan 29 2012...
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youcan'tstopusnow
#206 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:17:24 AM
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Hehe. hisah = #MulikaInvestorssmile
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Aguytrying
#207 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:18:14 AM
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hisah wrote:
jerry wrote:
QW25091985 wrote:
Aiiish. This stock is to beaten down. There'll be no sell off.
Anything below 20 bob is a buy b'coz rights price will be at 20 bob.

I'm ready to put in Ksh1M if it touches 16/=.

Jan 29 2012...


Applause on outing people! What a difference a year makes.
Did @jerry put in the 1m?
When you see @QW lost on wazua, you can extrapolate the reasons. Imagine riding access from 20 to 3.5(and maybe selling down there only to see it rallying to 6-9 bob)
and being bullish on KQ at 20 and it stays at 11 forever.

To bullish KQ guys, The stay down here may be long, buckle up. don't be in a hurry(its been a year at 11, may take a very long time to get back to 20 esp if the company doesnt turn round immediately it could be years! and theres still chance of going lower if performance of company continues to go to the dogs.
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Cde Monomotapa
#208 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:38:53 AM
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This one still gives me the crips (Crisps? Creeps? Laughing out loudly)
Aguytrying
#209 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:48:57 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
This one still gives me the crips (Crisps? Creeps? Laughing out loudly)

smile lol
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
VituVingiSana
#210 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 5:56:44 PM
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Iborian wrote:
Flash Forward - 5th June 2014. Kenya Airways have just released their results for the year ended 31st March 2014.

EPS grew to an all time high of Kshs 12.92. Dividend raised to Kshs 3.50, following the exit of the former CEO Titus Naikuni last year.

Share price has now surged to all time high of Kshs 160. Investors have once again fallen in love with the stock.

Oh, did I just mention, I bought the share 3 years ago at the beaten down price of Kshs 33.

This is what dreams are made of.
Dream deferred. Well, there is one more year left but the current price is lower than the EPS you quoted for FY 2013-14.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#211 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:24:02 AM
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@obiero - I need to look at the 1H 2012-13 results but I am worried about KQ's 2H 2012-13 as well. I think the worst (hit) of the hedges were taken in 1H but 2H has operational challenges thus the (overall) loss may not as large as 1H but an operational loss for 2H.

My non-Exchange Bar thoughts! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

1) The huge salary savings that were not saved from the 800 staff who the (useless) court sent back to work. Upon their 'return to work', they probably did not care about working as much as gloating.
2) The costs of the 'firings' that have to be expensed. Lawyers, HR, etc.
3) The slowdown in 4Q 2012-13 (Jan-Mar 2013) due to the elections. Look at the 4Q passenger numbers.
4) The increased fixed assets (planes) in 2H 2012-13 which may not have been fully utilized with the low PLFs.
5) Aggressive RwandaAir & Air Uganda which competes for the lucrative KGL & EBB routes.

Pros
1) The LCCs seem to be dead/dying. Fly 540 has issues with FastJet. Jetlink has issues in South Sudan which crippled it.
2) The drop in the (share) price to reflect the problems.
3) Stable KES & fuel prices.

From the 4Q 2012-13 Operational Update
http://kenya-airways.com..._JAN_to_MAR_2013/?dis=y

"The company put into the market capacity totalling 3,143m seat kilometres which was 4.5% below last year’s level." Despite having more aircraft i.e. seats available if the planes were not sitting at JKIA.
"Europe shrunk in capacity by 30.4% compared to the same quarter prior year due to rationalization occasioned by the Euro zone crisis and anticipated lower demand during the Kenyan election period."
"West African region declined by 6.5% mainly on the Lagos route as a result of operating the smaller B738 aircraft compared to B767."

"Traffic measured in revenue passenger kilometres at 2,073m was 7.5% below similar period last year." This is critical. Fewer bums in the seats = lower revenues = lower profits.

"...economic challenges facing the Euro-Zone... cutbacks in capacity... closure of the Rome route... passenger tally at 828,032 was at par with last year... cabin factor at 65.9% was 2.2 points lower..." What is KQ's Break-Even Load Factor?

"Cargo capacity dropped by 14.9% with a proportionate decline in tonnage during the period. There was a general slump from some key feeder markets in Asia and Europe." Ouch! Hurt from BOTH Asia & Europe!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mwekez@ji
#212 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 7:34:53 PM
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sparkly
#213 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 10:40:02 PM
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Naikuni getting Bonga point donations from Bob.
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obiero
#214 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 11:30:11 PM
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sparkly wrote:
Naikuni getting Bonga point donations from Bob.

haha. kuwa mpole

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
soko
#215 Posted : Saturday, May 04, 2013 11:24:59 PM
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KQ will move north when KAA improves JKIA to make it competitive as a major transit hub in africa: new terminal,better services...., this share will be low for a looooong time
hisah
#216 Posted : Sunday, May 05, 2013 4:42:25 AM
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Etihad could buy a stake in KQ - http://www.theeastafrica...0/-/tsvpbc/-/index.html

Source - citigroup. In a few days the firm has issued two views; massive FY loss estimate and a possible buy.

Perfect timing for the results in 6 trading days time...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
jerry
#217 Posted : Sunday, May 05, 2013 10:46:15 AM
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Not yet Uhuru this one. UK should reclaim it! I'm seeing a possibiliy of "better option" price going higher than that of "pride of Africa".
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
mwekez@ji
#218 Posted : Sunday, May 05, 2013 10:39:54 PM
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hisah wrote:
Etihad could buy a stake in KQ - http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke...40/-/tsvpbc/-/index.html

Source - citigroup. In a few days the firm has issued two views; massive FY loss estimate and a possible buy.

Perfect timing for the results in 6 trading days time...


... safaricom FYR - 14th May (in 6 trading days)

... KQ FYR - 14th June (in 6 trading days + 1 month)

#Note in your calendar appropriately ;)
mwekez@ji
#219 Posted : Sunday, May 05, 2013 10:59:42 PM
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hisah
#220 Posted : Monday, May 06, 2013 2:54:47 AM
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Target revised from 18 to 13 a year later after trumpeting about the rights issue which flopped. Can't blame them for trying to hype this hard sale... The bad news has been flooding in since 2011 and the bear sentiment is so grim. One more huge shake out on this one and it bounces hard to reset those grim extremes running for more than a year. KQ is now more hated than the sink holes called paka and olympia. Another silent sink hole is express kenya.

Oh, I've seen from the KQ site the results are on June 14th.
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