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masukuma
#61 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:26:47 PM
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pops wrote:
lets give credit where its due. the wazungu's were damn good at managing and building things. for god's sake we are still using the same railway built over 100 years ago! i'd like to see the Thika super highway lasting that long. look at the old buildings and desginated gardens created in cbd such as barclays building on moi avenue, uhuru park. if left to africans and wahindis that would a be a concrete jungle with cheap constructed offices and apartments. if we were still under colonialism i bet nairobi would be a much better cleaner city. i would not mind a bit of discrimination if i had proper roads, street lights, hospitals, schools and a functional system of life. despite their problems, harare in zimbabawe is still a better city than nairobi as wazungus had a chance to develop it till the problems 12 years ago. kidero should be sent to europe/ america for training.

you have no idea.... don't wish for it! you would not be allowed anywhere near Nairobi without a Kipande on your neck like a dog.... Afadhali Nairobi saa hii. We are working on it

this is thika!
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masukuma
#62 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:44:51 PM
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pops wrote:
lets give credit where its due. the wazungu's were damn good at managing and building things. for god's sake we are still using the same railway built over 100 years ago! i'd like to see the Thika super highway lasting that long. look at the old buildings and desginated gardens created in cbd such as barclays building on moi avenue, uhuru park. if left to africans and wahindis that would a be a concrete jungle with cheap constructed offices and apartments. if we were still under colonialism i bet nairobi would be a much better cleaner city. i would not mind a bit of discrimination if i had proper roads, street lights, hospitals, schools and a functional system of life. despite their problems, harare in zimbabawe is still a better city than nairobi as wazungus had a chance to develop it till the problems 12 years ago. kidero should be sent to europe/ america for training.

this would have been you!
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masukuma
#63 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:55:13 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
With the once prestigious Lavington, kilimani, kileleshwa etc being taken over by flats (hope Muthaiga and Runda arent next) courtesy of greedy developers, I can imagine how it will be 20yrs from now. We will be posting nolstagic photos of the once exclusive and leafy lavington, where beautiful mansions used to stand on half acre plots. What's so difficult with getting 3000 acres on Mombasa, Kiambu or Thika rd and creating a well planned new 'lavington' there instead of the present degradation? FYI Nairobi was a swamp/forest before those prestigious estates were put up. If they could do it over 50yrs ago we can do it in 2013.

these photos should be inspirational! when you see thika as it was and as it is now you should be inspired to move to a far flung area (cheap) and purchase large tracts of land and develop pole pole - your grandkids will be eternally grateful for that coz "uliona mbali". Forget paying for 0.125 acres in the city for the rest of your life only for Nairobi CBD to become like Joberg CBD where no one wants to go and only the poor can afford houses there.
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josiah33
#64 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:56:53 PM
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story teller
#65 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 12:37:50 AM
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xyzee wrote:
oltome wrote:
compare and contrast with the current situation, something must be eternally wrong with we africans or as they say...whoever bewitched us must have died!


Blame it on the leadership after independence, they were more interested in filling up their 'stomachs' than anything else.


Actually I beg to differ..things from what I was told went completely out of whack during the nyayo error..I understand people even chose to work for gava rather than join the private sector..pay and benefits were excellent and guys could afford a showroom vehicle with their civil service salaries..most also bought homes then.

Buses were efficient and operated on time just like developed countries..the police were professional and had enough resources..vehicles..etc

People just won't acknowledge that nyayo malizad this country..all that guys remember is maziwa ya nyayo..bure kabisa..
It's not hard to make decisions when you know what your values are.
masukuma
#66 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 8:08:09 AM
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story teller wrote:
xyzee wrote:
oltome wrote:
compare and contrast with the current situation, something must be eternally wrong with we africans or as they say...whoever bewitched us must have died!


Blame it on the leadership after independence, they were more interested in filling up their 'stomachs' than anything else.


Actually I beg to differ..things from what I was told went completely out of whack during the nyayo error..I understand people even chose to work for gava rather than join the private sector..pay and benefits were excellent and guys could afford a showroom vehicle with their civil service salaries..most also bought homes then.

Buses were efficient and operated on time just like developed countries..the police were professional and had enough resources..vehicles..etc

People just won't acknowledge that nyayo malizad this country..all that guys remember is maziwa ya nyayo..bure kabisa..

Kenya was doing well until east Germany and USSR collapsed (ceased being). the cold war was over and we did not get as much foreign exchange as we needed - in short we were living a lie prior to the end of the cold war. People need to know that living under the mzungu was not good - native africans were poor and were systematically made poor! they came to our continent and introduced an economic system that 'forced' our people to embrace their system (kinda like Obelix and co.). Anyway going back and complaining 'oh so and so made us poor' is an utterly useless sentiment. As I said - we now have lots of information, use it. Nairobi will change - Lavington will go (nothing is permanent), Kenya will change - accept it and move into the future.
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jaggernaut
#67 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 11:24:51 AM
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New York City was worse 100 yrs ago. So there's hope for Nairobi.

kollabo
#68 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 11:32:33 AM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
xyzee wrote:
oltome wrote:
compare and contrast with the current situation, something must be eternally wrong with we africans or as they say...whoever bewitched us must have died!


Blame it on the leadership after independence, they were more interested in filling up their 'stomachs' than anything else.


Nairobi was actually very neat upto the early 1980s. Then everything went haywire.




Actually, it was Moi who messed everything up.

"Moism" is to blame for all the mess we find ourselves in today. 24 years of zero maintenance, zero development, infinite stealing.

The great economic puzzle is how we survived Moism.


Thanks @juggernaut. GREEN CITY IN THE SUN! Harare in Zim was also as clean when I first visited but now....
Annti_Christy
#69 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 11:37:37 AM
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jaggernaut wrote:
New York City was worse 100 yrs ago. So there's hope for Nairobi.



what kind of area was this? was this a 'slum area'? If it is it is light years ahead of present day equivalent 'slum areas' in nairobi.
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jaggernaut
#70 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 1:38:11 PM
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Annti_Christy wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
New York City was worse 100 yrs ago. So there's hope for Nairobi.



what kind of area was this? was this a 'slum area'? If it is it is light years ahead of present day equivalent 'slum areas' in nairobi.


No, that wasn't a slum but a 'good' area. But the photo below shows a real NY slum them days.

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