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theman192000
#31 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 12:05:59 PM
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innairobi wrote:
To think that the governors can hold the central government ransom is utopia. It is the other way round. Central government controls about 1 trillion revenue. Nairobi city council was at less than 10B. All counties including Nairobi (even if it reaches 30B in revenue) have needs that far outstrip their revenue and this will not change any time soon.

Look no further than the way CORD's heavyweight governors like Mutua and Kidero are sucking up to UK. Even Joho's militant stance will be tampered by harsh realities in a couple of months. A fight with UK will hurt governors far much more than the president.


Let me phrase it differently. Supposing the central government wants to dual the railway from Mombasa to the border. This standard gauge track passes through several counties but the counties have other pressing priorities like implementing their own manifestos. What happens in this case?
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McReggae
#32 Posted: : Friday, April 26, 2013 12:08:41 PM
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theman192000 wrote:
innairobi wrote:
To think that the governors can hold the central government ransom is utopia. It is the other way round. Central government controls about 1 trillion revenue. Nairobi city council was at less than 10B. All counties including Nairobi (even if it reaches 30B in revenue) have needs that far outstrip their revenue and this will not change any time soon.

Look no further than the way CORD's heavyweight governors like Mutua and Kidero are sucking up to UK. Even Joho's militant stance will be tampered by harsh realities in a couple of months. A fight with UK will hurt governors far much more than the president.


Let me phrase it differently. Supposing the central government wants to dual the railway from Mombasa to the border. This standard gauge track passes through several counties but the counties have other pressing priorities like implementing their own manifestos. What happens in this case?


There is nothing the county government will do on this..........the railway project goes on as it is a national undertaking!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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innairobi
#33 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 12:18:48 PM
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The 15% allocation is exactly the point. Central remains with 85%. You do realize this form of allocation is not exactly new. We have had CDF for several years now (albeit smaller percentage). Still constituencies that received disproportionate amounts of central government support thrived more than their peers.

The 85% will be allocated to infrastructure and other big budget projects. For example, who decides whether an 8-lane highway will be built from Nairobi to Thika instead of to Naivasha or Sultan Hamud? Yet these projects massively transform the counties where they are located. Think of the massive amount of wealth unleashed in Kiambu, Muranga and parts of Machakos county solely on the strength of the highway and its feeder roads.

Attracting external investors and getting extra support from central government are not mutually exclusive. Why not have both? The end objective is to uplift the living standard of the people. For governors with foresight, a good working relationship with UK is not optional. Stonewalling will hurt the governor badly.


McReggae wrote:
innairobi wrote:
Was responding to those saying CORD governors will hold central government ransom which itself is bony chest thumping. 1 trillion is a lot of money compared to the many counties which have not hit the 1 billion mark in annual revenues yet have almost zero infrastructure. Also remember, county governments also have debts.

Prudent governors will weigh the pros and cons of needlessly fighting central government versus delivering tangible services. Smart governors like Mutua and Kidero know they need goodwill from central government. After 5 years, you will not be reelected governor because of how hard you fought UK or supported RAO but by your performance compared to your peers in other counties. Even hardcore UK supporters like Kabogo may not survive in 2017 if he does not pull up his socks.


McReggae wrote:
People should get alive to the reality of devolution, chest thumping will not help any, what is 1 trillion when you still have to beg and take loans to meet your budget anyway!!!!


The 15% allocation to counties from the national budget aint something the Governors are supposed to beg from the national govt, it's a constitutional allocation. Governors must be innovatibe to make a mark in the counties, this includes, expansion and efficient revenue collection, attraction of investors and donors to their counties and many other things....the idea is not to spend the whole time sucking up to the president to send goodies their way!!!
All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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innairobi
#34 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 12:22:55 PM
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I agree.

McReggae wrote:
theman192000 wrote:
innairobi wrote:
To think that the governors can hold the central government ransom is utopia. It is the other way round. Central government controls about 1 trillion revenue. Nairobi city council was at less than 10B. All counties including Nairobi (even if it reaches 30B in revenue) have needs that far outstrip their revenue and this will not change any time soon.

Look no further than the way CORD's heavyweight governors like Mutua and Kidero are sucking up to UK. Even Joho's militant stance will be tampered by harsh realities in a couple of months. A fight with UK will hurt governors far much more than the president.


Let me phrase it differently. Supposing the central government wants to dual the railway from Mombasa to the border. This standard gauge track passes through several counties but the counties have other pressing priorities like implementing their own manifestos. What happens in this case?


There is nothing the county government will do on this..........the railway project goes on as it is a national undertaking!!!

All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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McReggae
#35 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 12:28:50 PM
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innairobi wrote:
The 15% allocation is exactly the point. Central remains with 85%. You do realize this form of allocation is not exactly new. We have had CDF for several years now (albeit smaller percentage). Still constituencies that received disproportionate amounts of central government support thrived more than their peers.

The 85% will be allocated to infrastructure and other big budget projects. For example, who decides whether an 8-lane highway will be built from Nairobi to Thika instead of to Naivasha or Sultan Hamud? Yet these projects massively transform the counties where they are located. Think of the massive amount of wealth unleashed in Kiambu, Muranga and parts of Machakos county solely on the strength of the highway and its feeder roads.

Attracting external investors and getting extra support from central government are not mutually exclusive. Why not have both? The end objective is to uplift the living standard of the people. For governors with foresight, a good working relationship with UK is not optional. Stonewalling will hurt the governor badly.


McReggae wrote:
innairobi wrote:
Was responding to those saying CORD governors will hold central government ransom which itself is bony chest thumping. 1 trillion is a lot of money compared to the many counties which have not hit the 1 billion mark in annual revenues yet have almost zero infrastructure. Also remember, county governments also have debts.

Prudent governors will weigh the pros and cons of needlessly fighting central government versus delivering tangible services. Smart governors like Mutua and Kidero know they need goodwill from central government. After 5 years, you will not be reelected governor because of how hard you fought UK or supported RAO but by your performance compared to your peers in other counties. Even hardcore UK supporters like Kabogo may not survive in 2017 if he does not pull up his socks.


McReggae wrote:
People should get alive to the reality of devolution, chest thumping will not help any, what is 1 trillion when you still have to beg and take loans to meet your budget anyway!!!!


The 15% allocation to counties from the national budget aint something the Governors are supposed to beg from the national govt, it's a constitutional allocation. Governors must be innovatibe to make a mark in the counties, this includes, expansion and efficient revenue collection, attraction of investors and donors to their counties and many other things....the idea is not to spend the whole time sucking up to the president to send goodies their way!!!


You got a point but the truth is that just like the cabinet appointements, they will 1st thank those who supported them.......so governors of unfriendly quarters lazima wajipange!!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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theman192000
#36 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 2:06:11 PM
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McReggae wrote:
theman192000 wrote:
innairobi wrote:
To think that the governors can hold the central government ransom is utopia. It is the other way round. Central government controls about 1 trillion revenue. Nairobi city council was at less than 10B. All counties including Nairobi (even if it reaches 30B in revenue) have needs that far outstrip their revenue and this will not change any time soon.

Look no further than the way CORD's heavyweight governors like Mutua and Kidero are sucking up to UK. Even Joho's militant stance will be tampered by harsh realities in a couple of months. A fight with UK will hurt governors far much more than the president.


Let me phrase it differently. Supposing the central government wants to dual the railway from Mombasa to the border. This standard gauge track passes through several counties but the counties have other pressing priorities like implementing their own manifestos. What happens in this case?


There is nothing the county government will do on this..........the railway project goes on as it is a national undertaking!!!


Since the railway cannot be built on air and therefore requires land which belongs to the county, how will the rail be built if the county government does nothing.

Put another way, I can put up a structure on your piece of land and its okay since you are busy doing other things.
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McReggae
#37 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 2:22:10 PM
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theman192000 wrote:
McReggae wrote:
theman192000 wrote:
innairobi wrote:
To think that the governors can hold the central government ransom is utopia. It is the other way round. Central government controls about 1 trillion revenue. Nairobi city council was at less than 10B. All counties including Nairobi (even if it reaches 30B in revenue) have needs that far outstrip their revenue and this will not change any time soon.

Look no further than the way CORD's heavyweight governors like Mutua and Kidero are sucking up to UK. Even Joho's militant stance will be tampered by harsh realities in a couple of months. A fight with UK will hurt governors far much more than the president.


Let me phrase it differently. Supposing the central government wants to dual the railway from Mombasa to the border. This standard gauge track passes through several counties but the counties have other pressing priorities like implementing their own manifestos. What happens in this case?


There is nothing the county government will do on this..........the railway project goes on as it is a national undertaking!!!


Since the railway cannot be built on air and therefore requires land which belongs to the county, how will the rail be built if the county government does nothing.

Put another way, I can put up a structure on your piece of land and its okay since you are busy doing other things.


There are clear rules for the government to acquire land that they may need for it's projects, furthermore, the 47 counties still belong in Kenya!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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theman192000
#38 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 2:35:50 PM
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McReggae wrote:
theman192000 wrote:
McReggae wrote:
theman192000 wrote:
innairobi wrote:
To think that the governors can hold the central government ransom is utopia. It is the other way round. Central government controls about 1 trillion revenue. Nairobi city council was at less than 10B. All counties including Nairobi (even if it reaches 30B in revenue) have needs that far outstrip their revenue and this will not change any time soon.

Look no further than the way CORD's heavyweight governors like Mutua and Kidero are sucking up to UK. Even Joho's militant stance will be tampered by harsh realities in a couple of months. A fight with UK will hurt governors far much more than the president.


Let me phrase it differently. Supposing the central government wants to dual the railway from Mombasa to the border. This standard gauge track passes through several counties but the counties have other pressing priorities like implementing their own manifestos. What happens in this case?


There is nothing the county government will do on this..........the railway project goes on as it is a national undertaking!!!


Since the railway cannot be built on air and therefore requires land which belongs to the county, how will the rail be built if the county government does nothing.

Put another way, I can put up a structure on your piece of land and its okay since you are busy doing other things.


There are clear rules for the government to acquire land that they may need for it's projects, furthermore, the 47 counties still belong in Kenya!!!


Which ever way you cut it, central govt needs to work with county govt otherwise what's the point of devolution?d'oh!
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theman192000
#39 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 2:41:46 PM
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Good example of county government working with central govt. IUDMP
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poundfoolish
#40 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 2:52:18 PM
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matata wrote:
And you wonder why God annointed Uk and not Rao!! Someone tell RAO someone is watching him and he is bigger than Rao's his selfish mind.

two demons and God annointed one?
Which sect do you belong to? Whisper's 'many waters?'
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