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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
kyt
#181 Posted : Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:42:49 PM
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Vvs u r joking right?
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mwekez@ji
#182 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 12:23:50 PM
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KQ has released its Q4 operating numbers and they are not attractive with the display of reduced capacity and reduced load factor. However, KQ finance director Alex Mwangi has said that they will deliver a modest profit in FYR. That means in H2 they managed to reverse the H1 loss of KES 4.8B. Was wondering how they were able to do that > Derivatives¿ Those derivatives must be it. #FYR Expectations
hisah
#183 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 12:30:59 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
KQ has released its Q4 operating numbers and they are not attractive with the display of reduced capacity and reduced load factor. However, KQ finance director Alex Mwangi has said that they will deliver a modest profit in FYR. That means in H2 they managed to reverse the H1 loss of KES 4.8B. Was wondering how they were able to do that > Derivatives¿ Those derivatives must be it. #FYR Expectations

If from derivs then KQ should just convert to a hedgefund! They've played that game for too long...
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chikonde
#184 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 12:54:04 PM
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I thought I heard that they want their deposit money back from Boeing (with interest?)for delaying delivery of the 6 Dreamliners ordered? Anyone with any ideas how that could impact their operations?
VituVingiSana
#185 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:18:49 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
KQ has released its Q4 operating numbers and they are not attractive with the display of reduced capacity and reduced load factor. However, KQ finance director Alex Mwangi has said that they will deliver a modest profit in FYR. That means in H2 they managed to reverse the H1 loss of KES 4.8B. Was wondering how they were able to do that > Derivatives¿ Those derivatives must be it. #FYR Expectations
When did he say this? I read the article but it was vague. If KQ is going to break-even OR make a slight profit for FY 2012-13 ... it is a HUGE plus. Though I have my doubts. It had to re-hire (court order) all the staff it had sacked. That will hurt the 2H results.
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Pesa Nane
#186 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:47:23 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
Which big fish is exiting? There has been a never ending supply @11 for days. d'oh!

Think Think Sickquot; Sickquot;
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obiero
#187 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 9:24:08 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Which big fish is exiting? There has been a never ending supply @11 for days. d'oh!

Think Think Sickquot; Sickquot;

Do you mean which big fish is entering? Never ending demand!!! :)

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
obiero
#188 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 9:37:52 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
let's even forget about the share price for a moment. company set to announce huge losses with no improvement from management running of company. had a huge cash call last year, what have they done with the money? when will the first plane be delivered? we are already one year into mawingu and is there any progress.
the only thing that can get this back to good performance is new management.

@aguytrying clearly u have not been followin this company. six planes have been delivered!

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
Pesa Nane
#189 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 10:27:45 PM
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obiero wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Which big fish is exiting? There has been a never ending supply @11 for days. d'oh!

Think Think Sickquot; Sickquot;

Do you mean which big fish is entering? Never ending demand!!! :)

Look closely. Its an exit! Been on for a while
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
symbols
#190 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 10:34:24 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
obiero wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Which big fish is exiting? There has been a never ending supply @11 for days. d'oh!

Think Think Sickquot; Sickquot;

Do you mean which big fish is entering? Never ending demand!!! :)

Look closely. Its an exit! Been on for a while


An exit or entry of that magnitude would trigger the price to go up or go down.I'm with obiero.Someone is entering as someone is exiting.
Pesa Nane
#191 Posted : Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:30:28 AM
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symbols wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
obiero wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Which big fish is exiting? There has been a never ending supply @11 for days. d'oh!

Think Think Sickquot; Sickquot;

Do you mean which big fish is entering? Never ending demand!!! :)

Look closely. Its an exit! Been on for a while


An exit or entry of that magnitude would trigger the price to go up or go down.I'm with obiero.Someone is entering as someone is exiting.

Of course there are two sides in every sale. A closer look and you will notice a SELLER vs buyers
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
Kausha
#192 Posted : Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:27:17 AM
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But seriously guys if you understand how airlines work, if you receive 6 planes and your core markets are shrinking (Europe, Africa),you are closing routes in your core markets and load factors are dropping, wouldn't you want to return the planes to the manufacturer or lessor! what are you going to do with the 6 planes? Infact the dreamliner delay is a massive boon for KQ. They would have had little to do with them in the current environment. Drive past JKIA in the mid morning and you will see quite a significant number of idle planes parked, suggesting there is trouble in the markets. At the peak or in normal operating environment at midday you hardly see more than 2 planes parked or being prepped for local flights!

One hidden herring, by the time load factors are tumbling, the pricing game has been played to near threadbare margins. Certainly for KQ to defend a lot of their market share they have had to chop prices to compete. This will show up on the topline. I think KQ will upstage KK in depth of the bottom line. It's been an ugly year for airlines! Pity KQ was not prepared for it!
sparkly
#193 Posted : Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:49:32 AM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
symbols wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
obiero wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Which big fish is exiting? There has been a never ending supply @11 for days. d'oh!

Think Think Sickquot; Sickquot;

Do you mean which big fish is entering? Never ending demand!!! :)

Look closely. Its an exit! Been on for a while


An exit or entry of that magnitude would trigger the price to go up or go down.I'm with obiero.Someone is entering as someone is exiting.

Of course there are two sides in every sale. A closer look and you will notice a SELLER vs buyers


How do you know its a seller vs buyers as opposed to sellers versus a buyer?
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guru267
#194 Posted : Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:56:53 AM
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sparkly wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
symbols wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
obiero wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Which big fish is exiting? There has been a never ending supply @11 for days. d'oh!

Think Think Sickquot; Sickquot;

Do you mean which big fish is entering? Never ending demand!!! :)

Look closely. Its an exit! Been on for a while


An exit or entry of that magnitude would trigger the price to go up or go down.I'm with obiero.Someone is entering as someone is exiting.

Of course there are two sides in every sale. A closer look and you will notice a SELLER vs buyers


How do you know its a seller vs buyers as opposed to sellers versus a buyer?


@sparkly The latter is way way better than the former!!!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
VituVingiSana
#195 Posted : Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:59:43 AM
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As @Kausha says... KQ might beat KK in the loss column for 2012. The planes cost money. The staff costs money. Unless KQ is flying MORE passengers the planes are 'idle' or the seats are empty.

There is a break-even load for flights & when a KQ flight is flying at 65% capacity then it is likely it is a break-even flight at best. Suppose 50% is break-even for variable costs, then 65% might cover fixed costs, For profits, it needs 65% or higher. If KQ drops its fares (lower RPK) to fill seats, it means the % (Passenger Load Factor) required rises even further...

The 4Q 2012-13 Operational Update was not encouraging.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Kausha
#196 Posted : Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:09:45 AM
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@VVS won't say much but for those in the know, KQ BEP load factor varies between 69% - 74% in a normal operating environment (growing markets and traditional fares). There are pockets of destructive fare wars in some African markets, Dubai etc suggesting the BEP load factor is slightly higher. At 66%, me thinks the airline is being forced to frolic with losses by to the environment.
Pesa Nane
#197 Posted : Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:09:51 AM
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sparkly wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
symbols wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
obiero wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Which big fish is exiting? There has been a never ending supply @11 for days. d'oh!

Think Think Sickquot; Sickquot;

Do you mean which big fish is entering? Never ending demand!!! :)

Look closely. Its an exit! Been on for a while


An exit or entry of that magnitude would trigger the price to go up or go down.I'm with obiero.Someone is entering as someone is exiting.

Of course there are two sides in every sale. A closer look and you will notice a SELLER vs buyers


How do you know its a seller vs buyers as opposed to sellers versus a buyer?

The Bids / Asks Quantity Price Splits will reveal this info.
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
mwekez@ji
#198 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 12:36:18 PM
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chikonde wrote:
I thought I heard that they want their deposit money back from Boeing (with interest?)for delaying delivery of the 6 Dreamliners ordered? Anyone with any ideas how that could impact their operations?


... now, Boeing doubles output to avoid KQ compensation >>> http://www.businessdailyafrica....4/-/14lgke0/-/index.html
theking
#199 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 6:53:33 PM
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finally broke the 11/= wall....closed at 11.10/=
obiero
#200 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 9:56:49 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
symbols wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
obiero wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Which big fish is exiting? There has been a never ending supply @11 for days. d'oh!

Think Think Sickquot; Sickquot;

Do you mean which big fish is entering? Never ending demand!!! :)

Look closely. Its an exit! Been on for a while


An exit or entry of that magnitude would trigger the price to go up or go down.I'm with obiero.Someone is entering as someone is exiting.

Of course there are two sides in every sale. A closer look and you will notice a SELLER vs buyers


How do you know its a seller vs buyers as opposed to sellers versus a buyer?

The Bids / Asks Quantity Price Splits will reveal this info.

shut up my brother. kwani hizo splits zinaandika majina?! only NSE and KQ share register insiders can know

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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