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King G
#51 Posted : Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:52:21 PM
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mawinder wrote:
Annti_Christy wrote:
mawinder wrote:
tutebeng wrote:
Now that we are talking about judgements, can somebody advise on the in-duplum rule. Some background. A bank current account had a debit balance of Kshs 298,000 in august last year 2012, the customer paid the bank 297,000 and then did not make further payments, the bank has been posting interest and penalties and interest on the account and now April 2012 the bank is demanding 8,700/- and continues to accrue. The customer has not used the account over the entire period. For how long should this piling of penalties and interest continue? Is there point of stopping. The bank has referred the matter to the Credit Reference Bureau.

What is this post doing here?Is it Jubilee Bank or Cord Bank?Hapa we are outside Nakumatt City Hall.Mambo ya pesa peleka huko!!!!!!!


huko wapi? nakumatt?

Apeleke kwa Chase bank yenye naona hapo mbele.


when people are talking about 380 million legal fees
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mawinder
#52 Posted : Tuesday, April 16, 2013 4:00:17 PM
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King G wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Annti_Christy wrote:
mawinder wrote:
tutebeng wrote:
Now that we are talking about judgements, can somebody advise on the in-duplum rule. Some background. A bank current account had a debit balance of Kshs 298,000 in august last year 2012, the customer paid the bank 297,000 and then did not make further payments, the bank has been posting interest and penalties and interest on the account and now April 2012 the bank is demanding 8,700/- and continues to accrue. The customer has not used the account over the entire period. For how long should this piling of penalties and interest continue? Is there point of stopping. The bank has referred the matter to the Credit Reference Bureau.

What is this post doing here?Is it Jubilee Bank or Cord Bank?Hapa we are outside Nakumatt City Hall.Mambo ya pesa peleka huko!!!!!!!


huko wapi? nakumatt?

Apeleke kwa Chase bank yenye naona hapo mbele.


when people are talking about 380 million legal fees

380m is little.Donald Kipkorir was at one time paid 600m.Kwani we stopped them from studying law or buying prequalification documents when IEBC advertised the tenders?They have forgotten the biometric kits which didn't work!!!!!
iKenya
#53 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:12:16 AM
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Some Key (IMO) points regarding the use of technology in elections and if it can be a valid grounds for dismissal of electoral results; from the Judgment by the Supreme Court of Kenya ruling on the petition against the Presidential Election results. (All emphasis mine)


1. ELECTRONIC SUPPORT FOR THE ELECTORAL PROCESS: ITS ROLE IN THE VALIDITY OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION


The Respondents state that, contrary to the averments of the Petitioners, technology was never envisaged by the 1st Respondent as the sole means of registering voters, of identifying them on voting day, or in the transmission and tallying of results. Electronic Technology is utilized in the elections as part of other numerous checks and controls built in the entire electoral process, to ensure that the 1st Respondent (The Electoral Commission) fulfils its mandate under Article 81 of the Constitution, to deliver free and fair elections. Technology, they argue, is not a replacement or alternative to the manual voting, counting, tallying and transmission processes, that are expressly required by law. Further, the Respondents contend, the Petitioners also misunderstand the policy and legal framework regarding the use of technology.

2. On the difficulty in procurement of large scale technological solutions within limited electoral timeframes.

In the instant case, there is evidence that the EVID and RTS technologies were used in the electoral process at the beginning, but they later stalled and crashed. Different reasons explain this failure but, by the depositions of Dismus Ong’ondi, the failure mainly arose from the misunderstandings and squabbles among IEBC members during the procurement process – squabbles which occasioned the failure to assess the integrity of the technologies in good time. It is, indeed, likely that the acquisition process was marked by competing interests involving impropriety, or even criminality: and we recommend that this matter be entrusted to the relevant State agency, for further investigation and possible prosecution of suspects.


3. In conclusion on if failing technology can be grounds to dismiss an election

From case law, and from Kenya’s electoral history, it is apparent that electronic technology has not provided perfect solutions. Such technology has been inherently undependable, and its adoption and application has been only incremental, over time. It is not surprising that the applicable law has entrusted a discretion to IEBC, on the application of such technology as may be found appropriate. Since such technology has not yet achieved a level of reliability, it cannot as yet be considered a permanent or irreversible foundation for the conduct of the electoral process. This negates the Petitioner’s contention that, in the instant case, injustice, or illegality in the conduct of election would result, if IEBC did not consistently employ electronic technology. It follows that the Petitioner’s case, insofar as it attributes nullity to the Presidential election on grounds of failed technological devices, is not sustainable.
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masukuma
#54 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:33:50 AM
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muganda wrote:
In brief:

1. They felt petitioner is under obligation to discharge initial burden of proof before it shifts. And standard of proof should only be above balance of probability and not as high as beyond-reasonable-doubt.

2. Time-lines laid out in the Constitution are most material, and may not be ousted by being viewed as a procedural technicality.

3. Supreme Court opted to be guided by fidelity to the terms of the Constitution, rather than adopt the argument of judicial restraint.


4. Different reasons explain failure of EVID/RTS and they recommend that this matter be entrusted to the relevant State agency, for further investigation and possible prosecution of suspects. In their opinion, IEBC had no option but to revert to manual electoral system. They negated contention an injustice, or illegality, automatically arises by IEBC going manual.


5. Relocation of party agents which arose when they became rowdy and quarrelsome in the interests of good order, peace and security, did not undermine the credibility of the tallying.

6. Multiplicity of registers is a reality of Kenya’s voter registration system which is recognized in law and widely acknowledged in practice.


7. Although there were many irregularities in the data and information-capture during the registration process, these were not so substantial as to affect the credibility of the electoral process; and besides, no credible evidence was adduced to show that such irregularities were premeditated and introduced by the 1st Respondent, for the purpose of causing prejudice to any particular candidate.


8. A vote which is rejected should not confer any advantage on any candidate, whether a winner or loser, as it is invalid.

9. If an election petition is raised by 2nd place contender, and is successful, then a run-off between first and second candidates would take place.


even the court got it wrong here - IEBC DID NOT REVERT TO THE MANUAL PROCESS BUT RATHER SUSPENDED THE DISPLAY OF RESULTS TRANSMITTED ELECTRONICALLY.
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maka
#55 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:16:23 AM
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we have officially become a laughing stock in matters jurisprudence...we were in the same league as S.A now we are being compared to Somalia,Chad,DRC...sad
possunt quia posse videntur
McReggae
#56 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:24:39 AM
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Change the topic 'carefull ruling'!!!
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dunkang
#57 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:42:01 AM
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McReggae wrote:
Shotgun wrote:

I think we have accepted and moved on smile

The Law students/scholars and law schools will however be very interested in the full judgement for their research.

Who knows, it might in future be used as an 'Authority' in one of the Commonwealth countries
Laughing out loudly


....auothrity indeed where a bench makes a single ruling....mmmmmhhhh!!!!!

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maka
#58 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:45:17 AM
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Shotgun wrote:

I think we have accepted and moved on smile

The Law students/scholars and law schools will however be very interested in the full judgement for their research.

Who knows, it might in future be used as an 'Authority' in one of the Commonwealth countries
Laughing out loudly

you cant use this stuff anywea...ok allow me to rephrase only in those bogus countries like equitorial guinea,ivory coast etc...it was written by interns.
possunt quia posse videntur
masukuma
#59 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:47:18 AM
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maka wrote:
we have officially become a laughing stock in matters jurisprudence...we were in the same league as S.A now we are being compared to Somalia,Chad,DRC...sad

who is comparing us to those guys?
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maka
#60 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:48:11 AM
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The SC used the common law principle of 'Omnia praesumuntur rite et solemnity essence acta' (the presumption of regularity and correctness of acts of public bodies) to absolve IEBC. See para 196 of judgment!!!
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