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Mainat
#1 Posted : Tuesday, April 09, 2013 10:39:56 PM
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All the 5 general elections since multipartism have proven one thing. Most Kenyans vote based on their tribe. And the tension gets worse every general election because as illogical as it is, whichever tribe wins, thinks they'll benefit. The parties have zero ideology.
Why not look at a rotating the presidency around the 8 provinces?
Here is how the relevant province would select the president. From the county governor or senator elections, one senator would then be chosen by respective elected county representatives within the province and would then be the one to be Kenya's president for a period of 5 years. His deputy would come from another province. The two would then as now appoint a cabinet which would undergo vetting by bunge and parliament.
Thoughts?
Sehemu ndio nyumba
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#2 Posted : Tuesday, April 09, 2013 10:52:17 PM
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Mainat wrote:
All the 5 general elections since multipartism have proven one thing. Most Kenyans vote based on their tribe. And the tension gets worse every general election because as illogical as it is, whichever tribe wins, thinks they'll benefit. The parties have zero ideology.
Why not look at a rotating the presidency around the 8 provinces?
Here is how the relevant province would select the president. From the county governor or senator elections, one senator would then be chosen by respective elected county representatives within the province and would then be the one to be Kenya's president for a period of 5 years. His deputy would come from another province. The two would then as now appoint a cabinet which would undergo vetting by bunge and parliament.
Thoughts?


Someone from my tribe (I prefer community) has never been president, and probably never will be. But i still prefer that our president is chosen by majority of Kenyans, those who can't see the simple logic of this should be ignored.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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mpobiz
#3 Posted : Tuesday, April 09, 2013 11:32:03 PM
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Can you please name the 8 provinces in our constitution?
You are loosing your mind my good friend. If you continue with such thoughts you might end up in a certain asylum along thika road
Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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Mainat
#4 Posted : Tuesday, April 09, 2013 11:37:53 PM
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Obi-burying our heads in the sand is also a logical option. Moi was right (again unfortunately). Multipartism has entrenched tribalism.
Mpobiz-breaking news. A constitution is just a piece of paper that can be changed by 30mps...
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McReggae
#5 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:55:23 AM
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Mainat wrote:
Obi-burying our heads in the sand is also a logical option. Moi was right (again unfortunately). Multipartism has entrenched tribalism.
Mpobiz-breaking news. A constitution is just a piece of paper that can be changed by 30mps...


Your thoughts can only be valid in a country that has consience!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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chepkel
#6 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:57:12 AM
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Sometimes if you look at the person, he or she may actually be the best man or woman. The problem is that we tend to look at the tribe first instead of judging the capabilites.
We should valisha our leaders the islamic Ninja like dresses and read their CVs out loud without mentioning names. Halafu tuone kama watu hawatachagua leaders who are not from their tribe.
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kiriita
#7 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:43:06 AM
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@ Mainat - Agree. Ala the Swiss model. I was thinking the same the other day - IMHO the current constitution has proved inadequate to 'cure the mischief' on this.
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maka
#8 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:59:49 AM
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kiriita wrote:
@ Mainat - Agree. Ala the Swiss model. I was thinking the same the other day - IMHO the current constitution has proved inadequate to 'cure the mischief' on this.

actually it has made it worse and we are hiding behind it...
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livie
#9 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:21:14 AM
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A country Divided
If you are going to be thinking only one thing, you might as well be thinking big. -Donald J . Trump
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madollar
#10 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:22:03 AM
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kiriita wrote:
@ Mainat - Agree. Ala the Swiss model. I was thinking the same the other day - IMHO the current constitution has proved inadequate to 'cure the mischief' on this.

Its NEVER gonna happen .politics mainly revolves around individuals among the big tribes infact if RAO was to jet in and say he has retired from politics the realignments that would take place would shock us all going by what WSR said yesterday about kenyans
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