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William Kipchirchir Samoei Arap Ruto. The man to watch the next 10 yrs.
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ZZE123
#61 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 8:56:53 AM
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Jus Blazin wrote:
As long as you continue to believe kyuks will always vote for their own, you'll hate them. And as long as you look at historical facts from a biased point of view, it is you who'll be growing into a tribalist. Did someone say 41 against 1? Many may be intelligent, but wisdom hasn't made them its abode. Right now, you predict a fallout between UK and WSR using facts (RAO/EMK MOU)that had nothing to do with either. Have they ever fallen out before? You predict 2018 and yet the President-elect hasn't been sworn in. Healing the rift between tribes doesn't begin with our leaders, it begins with us. And as long as you can never see that, as long as you can't kick out that us-against-them mentality, you'll never see a different Kenya and you'll always be bitter when things (read leadership) don't go your way.

Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Well said.
The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
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2012
#62 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:03:11 AM
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Jus Blazin wrote:
Right now, you predict a fallout between UK and WSR using facts (RAO/EMK MOU)that had nothing to do with either. Have they ever fallen out before?


Very true. Despite everything these two have always been friends and I think UK will back him for the top job after his 10 yrs. WSR is a hard working man and I'm sure he will do some great things especially in agriculture and for the youth.

BBI will solve it :)
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AlphDoti
#63 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:35:19 AM
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2012 wrote:
Jus Blazin wrote:
Right now, you predict a fallout between UK and WSR using facts (RAO/EMK MOU)that had nothing to do with either. Have they ever fallen out before?


Very true. Despite everything these two have always been friends and I think UK will back him for the top job after his 10 yrs. WSR is a hard working man and I'm sure he will do some great things especially in agriculture and for the youth.

It's just our hypothesis. We can be wrong, you can't tell the future.
Even you cannot be sure that UK will back WR. It's just your hypothesis too.

But what we are sure of is what we have seen in:
- 1992
- 1997
- 2002 (and 2003 MOU)
- 2007 (and Peace Accord)
- 2013

These are the facts.
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madollar
#64 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:05:52 AM
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The political reality is that in future elections it will be very difficult to get the presidency without the GEMA vote unless the luhya luo and kale unite which will require some sacrifices thats why ruto will stick with jubilee its the easier and less crowded route for him to statehouse .....
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AlphDoti
#65 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:30:20 AM
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madollar wrote:
The political reality is that in future elections it will be very difficult to get the presidency without the GEMA vote unless the luhya luo and kale unite which will require some sacrifices thats why ruto will stick with jubilee its the easier and less crowded route for him to statehouse .....

@madollar that's being one-sided.
You cannot win election without either GEMA or Kale.

RV can still choose to form a coalition with another group.
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rryyzz
#66 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:39:26 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
mwenza wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Why do I suspect a 20 year Jubilee Government with Uhuru holding for 10years and handing over to Ruto for another 10years??

10yrs for KAmwana...yeeeees
10yrs for Ruto............Naaaaah

Reason....kikuyu vote is not transferable

I agree with mwenza smile smile

These are the facts
- 1992 they voted their own
- 1997 they voted their own
- 2002 they voted their own in support of all tribes i.e. Kales and Luos
- 2007 they voted their own, they refused to return favour to Luos. Luos went with Kales.
- 2013 they voted their own, they refused to return favour to Luos. Kales disowned the Luos.

Now this is what we have:
- Kyuks vote only their own
- Luos can never trust Kyuk (remember what happened in 2007 and now 2013?)
- Luos can never vote Kales (remember what just happened in 2013?)

Fast forward to 2022?
- Ruto will expect Kyuks to return favour
- But you know what? Kyuks always vote their own and PK will be mtu-wa-nyumba

What will happen in 2022?
- Kyuks will be on their own
- Kales cannot go back to Luos
- Kyuks cannot go back to Luos

So someone from minority tribe will stand
- either Somali or Maasai (most likely a Somali)
- Kales will support this person
- Luos having no other kingpin will support this person
- The rest of the country knowing how Kyuks behave will retaliate and support this person

41 against 1 will happen!!!

Check mate!!!
Applause I hope we finally get to that point when some other tribe gets the presidency.So that no tribes think they are superior to the rest. Currently we are such a polarized nation.
Too often we underestimate the power of a touch, a smile, a kind word, a listening ear, an honest compliment, or the smallest act of caring, all of which have the potential to turn a life around.... Leo Buscaglia
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madollar
#67 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:47:47 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
madollar wrote:
The political reality is that in future elections it will be very difficult to get the presidency without the GEMA vote unless the luhya luo and kale unite which will require some sacrifices thats why ruto will stick with jubilee its the easier and less crowded route for him to statehouse .....

@madollar that's being one-sided.
You cannot win election without either GEMA or Kale.

RV can still choose to form a coalition with another group.

WSR will not form another coalition and play second fiddle again .....
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AlphDoti
#68 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:13:15 PM
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madollar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
madollar wrote:
The political reality is that in future elections it will be very difficult to get the presidency without the GEMA vote unless the luhya luo and kale unite which will require some sacrifices thats why ruto will stick with jubilee its the easier and less crowded route for him to statehouse .....

@madollar that's being one-sided.
You cannot win election without either GEMA or Kale.

RV can still choose to form a coalition with another group.

WSR will not form another coalition and play second fiddle again .....

WHat will he do when GEMA decide, just as they have been doing since '92?
Don't say they will definately support WR. You don't know this for sure. Unless you have a covenant to this effect.

NOTE: Drop the 'S' in WSR, he's not Samoei. But I'm not denying you to use it if you want. But it's not correct.
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McReggae
#69 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:19:32 PM
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If Ruto tries to complain before the end of the years.....we will tell him to respect the president!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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AlphDoti
#70 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:21:53 PM
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McReggae wrote:
If Ruto tries to complain before the end of the years.....we will tell him to respect the president!!!!

And "they" know he's not the guy to be told what to do... I'll be laughing come 2022 hahah
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