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AlphDoti wrote:mwenza wrote:guru267 wrote:Why do I suspect a 20 year Jubilee Government with Uhuru holding for 10years and handing over to Ruto for another 10years?? 10yrs for KAmwana...yeeeees 10yrs for Ruto............Naaaaah Reason....kikuyu vote is not transferable I agree with mwenza  These are the facts- 1992 they voted their own - 1997 they voted their own - 2002 they voted their own in support of all tribes i.e. Kales and Luos - 2007 they voted their own, they refused to return favour to Luos. Luos went with Kales. - 2013 they voted their own, they refused to return favour to Luos. Kales disowned the Luos. Now this is what we have:- Kyuks vote only their own - Luos can never trust Kyuk (remember what happened in 2007 and now 2013?) - Luos can never vote Kales (remember what just happened in 2013?) Fast forward to 2022?- Ruto will expect Kyuks to return favour - But you know what? Kyuks always vote their own and PK will be mtu-wa-nyumba What will happen in 2022?- Kyuks will be on their own - Kales cannot go back to Luos - Kyuks cannot go back to Luos So someone from minority tribe will stand- either Somali or Maasai (most likely a Somali) - Kales will support this person - Luos having no other kingpin will support this person - The rest of the country knowing how Kyuks behave will retaliate and support this person 41 against 1 will happen!!! Check mate!!! Very shallow thinking if i may say. It is very easy to pin point one tribe and express such biased views. It would be better for you to come up with a list of presidential candidates for all those years who have offered themselves and analyse each of the 42 tribes and the pattern of voting and you will realise all tribes vote tribally and if they have no candidate choose a proxy. Anyway, let me not stop you from your diatribe, carry on.
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2009 Posts: 351
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AlphDoti wrote:mwenza wrote:guru267 wrote:Why do I suspect a 20 year Jubilee Government with Uhuru holding for 10years and handing over to Ruto for another 10years?? 10yrs for KAmwana...yeeeees 10yrs for Ruto............Naaaaah Reason....kikuyu vote is not transferable I agree with mwenza These are the facts- 1992 they voted their own - 1997 they voted their own - 2002 they voted their own in support of all tribes i.e. Kales and Luos - 2007 they voted their own, they refused to return favour to Luos. Luos went with Kales. - 2013 they voted their own, they refused to return favour to Luos. Kales disowned the Luos. Now this is what we have:- Kyuks vote only their own - Luos can never trust Kyuk (remember what happened in 2007 and now 2013?) - Luos can never vote Kales (remember what just happened in 2013?) Fast forward to 2022?- Ruto will expect Kyuks to return favour - But you know what? Kyuks always vote their own and PK will be mtu-wa-nyumba What will happen in 2022?- Kyuks will be on their own - Kales cannot go back to Luos - Kyuks cannot go back to Luos So someone from minority tribe will stand- either Somali or Maasai (most likely a Somali) - Kales will support this person - Luos having no other kingpin will support this person - The rest of the country knowing how Kyuks behave will retaliate and support this person 41 against 1 will happen!!! Check mate!!! Rao started fighting Kibs from the on set of the Narc govt. With better political strategy Rao would have walked the presidency home after Kibs retired, but no. He crossed paths with all people who would have supported him.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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This thinking too much cannot be good for your health. Do you have a headache?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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eduu wrote:AlphDoti wrote:mwenza wrote:guru267 wrote:Why do I suspect a 20 year Jubilee Government with Uhuru holding for 10years and handing over to Ruto for another 10years?? 10yrs for KAmwana...yeeeees 10yrs for Ruto............Naaaaah Reason....kikuyu vote is not transferable I agree with mwenza These are the facts- 1992 they voted their own - 1997 they voted their own - 2002 they voted their own in support of all tribes i.e. Kales and Luos - 2007 they voted their own, they refused to return favour to Luos. Luos went with Kales. - 2013 they voted their own, they refused to return favour to Luos. Kales disowned the Luos. Now this is what we have:- Kyuks vote only their own - Luos can never trust Kyuk (remember what happened in 2007 and now 2013?) - Luos can never vote Kales (remember what just happened in 2013?) Fast forward to 2022?- Ruto will expect Kyuks to return favour - But you know what? Kyuks always vote their own and PK will be mtu-wa-nyumba What will happen in 2022?- Kyuks will be on their own - Kales cannot go back to Luos - Kyuks cannot go back to Luos So someone from minority tribe will stand- either Somali or Maasai (most likely a Somali) - Kales will support this person - Luos having no other kingpin will support this person - The rest of the country knowing how Kyuks behave will retaliate and support this person 41 against 1 will happen!!! Check mate!!! Rao started fighting Kibs from the on set of the Narc govt. With better political strategy Rao would have walked the presidency home after Kibs retired, but no. He crossed paths with all people who would have supported him. @eduu did you say fight Kibs? Oh, I see after the MOU was "dead and buried", right? And yeah again after 2007 vote stealing and the peace accord "ignored" 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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Kratos wrote:AlphDoti wrote:mwenza wrote:guru267 wrote:Why do I suspect a 20 year Jubilee Government with Uhuru holding for 10years and handing over to Ruto for another 10years?? 10yrs for KAmwana...yeeeees 10yrs for Ruto............Naaaaah Reason....kikuyu vote is not transferable I agree with mwenza These are the facts- 1992 they voted their own - 1997 they voted their own - 2002 they voted their own in support of all tribes i.e. Kales and Luos - 2007 they voted their own, they refused to return favour to Luos. Luos went with Kales. - 2013 they voted their own, they refused to return favour to Luos. Kales disowned the Luos. Now this is what we have:- Kyuks vote only their own - Luos can never trust Kyuk (remember what happened in 2007 and now 2013?) - Luos can never vote Kales (remember what just happened in 2013?) Fast forward to 2022?- Ruto will expect Kyuks to return favour - But you know what? Kyuks always vote their own and PK will be mtu-wa-nyumba What will happen in 2022?- Kyuks will be on their own - Kales cannot go back to Luos - Kyuks cannot go back to Luos So someone from minority tribe will stand- either Somali or Maasai (most likely a Somali) - Kales will support this person - Luos having no other kingpin will support this person - The rest of the country knowing how Kyuks behave will retaliate and support this person 41 against 1 will happen!!! Check mate!!! Very shallow thinking if i may say. It is very easy to pin point one tribe and express such biased views. It would be better for you to come up with a list of presidential candidates for all those years who have offered themselves and analyse each of the 42 tribes and the pattern of voting and you will realise all tribes vote tribally and if they have no candidate choose a proxy. Anyway, let me not stop you from your diatribe, carry on. agree, a very narrow minded way of looking at it - sensationalism at its best.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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AlphDoti wrote:eduu wrote:AlphDoti wrote:mwenza wrote:guru267 wrote:Why do I suspect a 20 year Jubilee Government with Uhuru holding for 10years and handing over to Ruto for another 10years?? 10yrs for KAmwana...yeeeees 10yrs for Ruto............Naaaaah Reason....kikuyu vote is not transferable I agree with mwenza These are the facts- 1992 they voted their own - 1997 they voted their own - 2002 they voted their own in support of all tribes i.e. Kales and Luos - 2007 they voted their own, they refused to return favour to Luos. Luos went with Kales. - 2013 they voted their own, they refused to return favour to Luos. Kales disowned the Luos. Now this is what we have:- Kyuks vote only their own - Luos can never trust Kyuk (remember what happened in 2007 and now 2013?) - Luos can never vote Kales (remember what just happened in 2013?) Fast forward to 2022?- Ruto will expect Kyuks to return favour - But you know what? Kyuks always vote their own and PK will be mtu-wa-nyumba What will happen in 2022?- Kyuks will be on their own - Kales cannot go back to Luos - Kyuks cannot go back to Luos So someone from minority tribe will stand- either Somali or Maasai (most likely a Somali) - Kales will support this person - Luos having no other kingpin will support this person - The rest of the country knowing how Kyuks behave will retaliate and support this person 41 against 1 will happen!!! Check mate!!! Rao started fighting Kibs from the on set of the Narc govt. With better political strategy Rao would have walked the presidency home after Kibs retired, but no. He crossed paths with all people who would have supported him. @eduu did you say fight Kibs? Oh, I see after the MOU was "dead and buried", right? And yeah again after 2007 vote stealing and the peace accord "ignored" the key word is strategy my friend, strategy
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a day in politics is a very very long time. Kuna kuchapwo, kuchapana na kujifichio
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 677 Location: Nairobi
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nakujua wrote:Kratos wrote:AlphDoti wrote:mwenza wrote:guru267 wrote:Why do I suspect a 20 year Jubilee Government with Uhuru holding for 10years and handing over to Ruto for another 10years?? 10yrs for KAmwana...yeeeees 10yrs for Ruto............Naaaaah Reason....kikuyu vote is not transferable I agree with mwenza These are the facts- 1992 they voted their own - 1997 they voted their own - 2002 they voted their own in support of all tribes i.e. Kales and Luos - 2007 they voted their own, they refused to return favour to Luos. Luos went with Kales. - 2013 they voted their own, they refused to return favour to Luos. Kales disowned the Luos. Now this is what we have:- Kyuks vote only their own - Luos can never trust Kyuk (remember what happened in 2007 and now 2013?) - Luos can never vote Kales (remember what just happened in 2013?) Fast forward to 2022?- Ruto will expect Kyuks to return favour - But you know what? Kyuks always vote their own and PK will be mtu-wa-nyumba What will happen in 2022?- Kyuks will be on their own - Kales cannot go back to Luos - Kyuks cannot go back to Luos So someone from minority tribe will stand- either Somali or Maasai (most likely a Somali) - Kales will support this person - Luos having no other kingpin will support this person - The rest of the country knowing how Kyuks behave will retaliate and support this person 41 against 1 will happen!!! Check mate!!! Very shallow thinking if i may say. It is very easy to pin point one tribe and express such biased views. It would be better for you to come up with a list of presidential candidates for all those years who have offered themselves and analyse each of the 42 tribes and the pattern of voting and you will realise all tribes vote tribally and if they have no candidate choose a proxy. Anyway, let me not stop you from your diatribe, carry on. agree, a very narrow minded way of looking at it - sensationalism at its best. Shallow or not thats how Kenya works my friends. I.e those are the facts. Hard to swallow.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2009 Posts: 351
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nakujua wrote:AlphDoti wrote:eduu wrote:AlphDoti wrote:mwenza wrote:guru267 wrote:Why do I suspect a 20 year Jubilee Government with Uhuru holding for 10years and handing over to Ruto for another 10years?? 10yrs for KAmwana...yeeeees 10yrs for Ruto............Naaaaah Reason....kikuyu vote is not transferable I agree with mwenza These are the facts- 1992 they voted their own - 1997 they voted their own - 2002 they voted their own in support of all tribes i.e. Kales and Luos - 2007 they voted their own, they refused to return favour to Luos. Luos went with Kales. - 2013 they voted their own, they refused to return favour to Luos. Kales disowned the Luos. Now this is what we have:- Kyuks vote only their own - Luos can never trust Kyuk (remember what happened in 2007 and now 2013?) - Luos can never vote Kales (remember what just happened in 2013?) Fast forward to 2022?- Ruto will expect Kyuks to return favour - But you know what? Kyuks always vote their own and PK will be mtu-wa-nyumba What will happen in 2022?- Kyuks will be on their own - Kales cannot go back to Luos - Kyuks cannot go back to Luos So someone from minority tribe will stand- either Somali or Maasai (most likely a Somali) - Kales will support this person - Luos having no other kingpin will support this person - The rest of the country knowing how Kyuks behave will retaliate and support this person 41 against 1 will happen!!! Check mate!!! Rao started fighting Kibs from the on set of the Narc govt. With better political strategy Rao would have walked the presidency home after Kibs retired, but no. He crossed paths with all people who would have supported him. @eduu did you say fight Kibs? Oh, I see after the MOU was "dead and buried", right? And yeah again after 2007 vote stealing and the peace accord "ignored" the key word is strategy my friend, strategy AlphDoti did you see the MOU? what did it say? Do you have a copy? Going by the events of the last 3 weeks where IEBC was credible before the election, then was not after the election. Supreme Court was credible before the ruling and not credible after the ruling, do you still believe that an MOU was not honored? With better strategy he would have won without campaigning.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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nakujua wrote:Kratos wrote:AlphDoti wrote:mwenza wrote:guru267 wrote:Why do I suspect a 20 year Jubilee Government with Uhuru holding for 10years and handing over to Ruto for another 10years?? 10yrs for KAmwana...yeeeees 10yrs for Ruto............Naaaaah Reason....kikuyu vote is not transferable I agree with mwenza These are the facts- 1992 they voted their own - 1997 they voted their own - 2002 they voted their own in support of all tribes i.e. Kales and Luos - 2007 they voted their own, they refused to return favour to Luos. Luos went with Kales. - 2013 they voted their own, they refused to return favour to Luos. Kales disowned the Luos. Now this is what we have:- Kyuks vote only their own - Luos can never trust Kyuk (remember what happened in 2007 and now 2013?) - Luos can never vote Kales (remember what just happened in 2013?) Fast forward to 2022?- Ruto will expect Kyuks to return favour - But you know what? Kyuks always vote their own and PK will be mtu-wa-nyumba What will happen in 2022?- Kyuks will be on their own - Kales cannot go back to Luos - Kyuks cannot go back to Luos So someone from minority tribe will stand- either Somali or Maasai (most likely a Somali) - Kales will support this person - Luos having no other kingpin will support this person - The rest of the country knowing how Kyuks behave will retaliate and support this person 41 against 1 will happen!!! Check mate!!! Very shallow thinking if i may say. It is very easy to pin point one tribe and express such biased views. It would be better for you to come up with a list of presidential candidates for all those years who have offered themselves and analyse each of the 42 tribes and the pattern of voting and you will realise all tribes vote tribally and if they have no candidate choose a proxy. Anyway, let me not stop you from your diatribe, carry on. agree, a very narrow minded way of looking at it - sensationalism at its best. It's my opinion remember? If it pains you, ask yourself why. Pick where you think I have lied. For your information: -> UHURUTO was two tribes (22% Kyuks + 21.x% Kales = 43%) -> Most of the tribes (11% luo + 7.2% Kamba + 25% other tribes = 44%) -> Others 13%
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