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josiah33
#151 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 8:31:14 PM
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blueman wrote:
Best way forward? Make Kibaki a King and lets move on with live!!! Why do we have to go through this every five years and we continue getting poorer and poorer.

And Jimmy becomes king in waiting?????
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nakujua
#152 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 8:38:34 PM
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Ngong wrote:

I really wished the petitioner's lawyers got their hands dirty and conducted research all over the country instead of picking a few places.

with all the resources at their disposal a week would have been enough to show if discrepancies all over the country would have had any effect on the final results.

an operation this big will always have issues and mistakes


What makes you think they didn't?

because iebc highlighted areas perceived to be the petitioners stronghold where such issues existed - either the petitioner ignored the same or did not conduct necessary research in such areas.
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XSK
#153 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 8:43:37 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Kibaki could be president till October.......


I am personally ok with baks presidency. Actually the longer he stays the better.
You will know that you have arrived when money and time are not mutually exclusive "events" in you life!
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essyk
#154 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 9:01:25 PM
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XSK wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Kibaki could be president till October.......


I am personally ok with baks presidency. Actually the longer he stays the better.


But here is my fear.
I am reminded of a guy who pleaded to be given more time to live. And he was given an additional 15 years.
It's on record that the evil committed during the added years surpassed all the good he ever did in his entire life-the evil was committed by his sons.
and the Kingdom lost it's glory.
Baks wants to rest.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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poundfoolish
#155 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 9:33:25 PM
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murchr wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
murchr wrote:
My little understanding of law tells me that judges rule on issues brought b4 them. In that i mean CORDS petition was that the IEBC allowed people not registered to vote, the IEBC conspired with TNA so as that TNA wins the election, the IEBC's systems were made to fail etc....given that the burden of prove lies with the petitioner, has the he provided enough prove to show the above happened?

AFRICOGs issue was that the tallying of the election results was wrong and they indicated that some form 34/36 dint match. Well...form the courts record above that has been proven, but does it meet the required threshold to nullify an election...that, the judges will tell us tomorrow.


problem is if...
1. System was designed to fail to avoid transparenncy hence taking uss to 5 years ago.. remember Krieglers recommenndations?
2. The tallying was done in a haphazard manner so as to push somebody just above the +1 threshold... hence the insistence by Kethi on that 1k vote reduced and added for some candidates. In this case only 4 constituencies can be used to do that..

Lets not look for 2007 and Nyayo era riggings as threshold for this case



Poundfoolish....did CORD's lawyer proove that the system was designed to fail?

Are you asking... you hid home for 5 days waiting for results that had earlier been planned to take 5hrs max...
should i mention hours on queue?




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murchr
#156 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 9:44:52 PM
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poundfoolish wrote:
murchr wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
murchr wrote:
My little understanding of law tells me that judges rule on issues brought b4 them. In that i mean CORDS petition was that the IEBC allowed people not registered to vote, the IEBC conspired with TNA so as that TNA wins the election, the IEBC's systems were made to fail etc....given that the burden of prove lies with the petitioner, has the he provided enough prove to show the above happened?

AFRICOGs issue was that the tallying of the election results was wrong and they indicated that some form 34/36 dint match. Well...form the courts record above that has been proven, but does it meet the required threshold to nullify an election...that, the judges will tell us tomorrow.


problem is if...
1. System was designed to fail to avoid transparenncy hence taking uss to 5 years ago.. remember Krieglers recommenndations?
2. The tallying was done in a haphazard manner so as to push somebody just above the +1 threshold... hence the insistence by Kethi on that 1k vote reduced and added for some candidates. In this case only 4 constituencies can be used to do that..

Lets not look for 2007 and Nyayo era riggings as threshold for this case



Poundfoolish....did CORD's lawyer proove that the system was designed to fail?





Are you asking... you hid home for 5 days waiting for results that had earlier been planned to take 5hrs max...
should i mention hours on queue?



Be real
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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marko
#157 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 9:51:28 PM
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Where are we now? I beg to know.
WHO DARES WINS
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harrydre
#158 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 9:53:06 PM
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newfarer wrote:
blueman wrote:
Best way forward? Make Kibaki a King and lets move on with live!!! Why do we have to go through this every five years and we continue getting poorer and poorer.

this will be unfair to the old man who is satisfied with his work and ready to rest.lets face the outcome with courage. El shaddai will see us through.
we need to set up a more inclusive regionally rotational governance/presidential system to stop the tarrany of numbers issue which is definately causing dissatisfaction among smaller groups/tribes



unless we scrap off democracy.
i.am.back!!!!
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harrydre
#159 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 9:55:15 PM
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marko wrote:
Where are we now? I beg to know.


pa pa hapa! at the end of the day, judges will have to vote and oAR needs 4 votes out of 6 for his petition to go through.
i.am.back!!!!
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guru267
#160 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 10:13:29 PM
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harrydre wrote:
marko wrote:
Where are we now? I beg to know.


pa pa hapa! at the end of the day, judges will have to vote and oAR needs 4 votes out of 6 for his petition to go through.


And president elect Uhuru only needs three votes smile
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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