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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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poundfoolish wrote:murchr wrote:My little understanding of law tells me that judges rule on issues brought b4 them. In that i mean CORDS petition was that the IEBC allowed people not registered to vote, the IEBC conspired with TNA so as that TNA wins the election, the IEBC's systems were made to fail etc....given that the burden of prove lies with the petitioner, has the he provided enough prove to show the above happened?
AFRICOGs issue was that the tallying of the election results was wrong and they indicated that some form 34/36 dint match. Well...form the courts record above that has been proven, but does it meet the required threshold to nullify an election...that, the judges will tell us tomorrow. problem is if... 1. System was designed to fail to avoid transparenncy hence taking uss to 5 years ago.. remember Krieglers recommenndations? 2. The tallying was done in a haphazard manner so as to push somebody just above the +1 threshold... hence the insistence by Kethi on that 1k vote reduced and added for some candidates. In this case only 4 constituencies can be used to do that.. Lets not look for 2007 and Nyayo era riggings as threshold for this case what am getting is life should continue even if the IEBC broke all the rules which they themselves have admitted,just because your candidate is said to have won there was nothing wrong with the election where is the fairness in that...imagine if the Jubilee coalition guys were on the other side would they have accepted the result,a result where one candidate is added votes while others are deducted,the first pperson who said there is a difference between what was being announced at the county level and what is being announced at bomas wasnt even OAR it was PK...about social media I was told to stop talking since things are ok...hizo matusi apparently niza kawaida nothing big. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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Kenyan's destiny now rests with the 6 sc judges. 40m+ people.Not 8k or 2. May God grant them wisdom. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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poundfoolish wrote:murchr wrote:My little understanding of law tells me that judges rule on issues brought b4 them. In that i mean CORDS petition was that the IEBC allowed people not registered to vote, the IEBC conspired with TNA so as that TNA wins the election, the IEBC's systems were made to fail etc....given that the burden of prove lies with the petitioner, has the he provided enough prove to show the above happened?
AFRICOGs issue was that the tallying of the election results was wrong and they indicated that some form 34/36 dint match. Well...form the courts record above that has been proven, but does it meet the required threshold to nullify an election...that, the judges will tell us tomorrow. problem is if... 1. System was designed to fail to avoid transparenncy hence taking uss to 5 years ago.. remember Krieglers recommenndations? 2. The tallying was done in a haphazard manner so as to push somebody just above the +1 threshold... hence the insistence by Kethi on that 1k vote reduced and added for some candidates. In this case only 4 constituencies can be used to do that.. Lets not look for 2007 and Nyayo era riggings as threshold for this case I really wished the petitioner's lawyers got their hands dirty and conducted research all over the country instead of picking a few places. with all the resources at their disposal a week would have been enough to show if discrepancies all over the country would have had any effect on the final results. an operation this big will always have issues and mistakes
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/2/2010 Posts: 845
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The petitioner's goal is not to be fair but to pick on samples that will best support their argument. CORD would not want to highlight electoral areas in their strongholds that have any discrepancies favoring RAO. nakujua wrote:poundfoolish wrote:murchr wrote:My little understanding of law tells me that judges rule on issues brought b4 them. In that i mean CORDS petition was that the IEBC allowed people not registered to vote, the IEBC conspired with TNA so as that TNA wins the election, the IEBC's systems were made to fail etc....given that the burden of prove lies with the petitioner, has the he provided enough prove to show the above happened?
AFRICOGs issue was that the tallying of the election results was wrong and they indicated that some form 34/36 dint match. Well...form the courts record above that has been proven, but does it meet the required threshold to nullify an election...that, the judges will tell us tomorrow. problem is if... 1. System was designed to fail to avoid transparenncy hence taking uss to 5 years ago.. remember Krieglers recommenndations? 2. The tallying was done in a haphazard manner so as to push somebody just above the +1 threshold... hence the insistence by Kethi on that 1k vote reduced and added for some candidates. In this case only 4 constituencies can be used to do that.. Lets not look for 2007 and Nyayo era riggings as threshold for this case I really wished the petitioner's lawyers got their hands dirty and conducted research all over the country instead of picking a few places. with all the resources at their disposal a week would have been enough to show if discrepancies all over the country would have had any effect on the final results. an operation this big will always have issues and mistakes All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/2/2010 Posts: 845
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The goal of the CORD petition is one - perpetuating nusu mkate. It has very little to do with winning a fresh election. All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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I really wished the petitioner's lawyers got their hands dirty and conducted research all over the country instead of picking a few places.
with all the resources at their disposal a week would have been enough to show if discrepancies all over the country would have had any effect on the final results.
an operation this big will always have issues and mistakes[/quote]
What makes you think they didn't?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Ngong wrote:
I really wished the petitioner's lawyers got their hands dirty and conducted research all over the country instead of picking a few places.
with all the resources at their disposal a week would have been enough to show if discrepancies all over the country would have had any effect on the final results.
an operation this big will always have issues and mistakes
What makes you think they didn't?[/quote] actually they did because they knew the respondent would have also pointed out CORD stronghold areas where there were issues...they had a team that extensively looked at potential areas where votes would have been added up to OARs figure like they did with Kamwanas they dint find any... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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poundfoolish wrote:murchr wrote:My little understanding of law tells me that judges rule on issues brought b4 them. In that i mean CORDS petition was that the IEBC allowed people not registered to vote, the IEBC conspired with TNA so as that TNA wins the election, the IEBC's systems were made to fail etc....given that the burden of prove lies with the petitioner, has the he provided enough prove to show the above happened?
AFRICOGs issue was that the tallying of the election results was wrong and they indicated that some form 34/36 dint match. Well...form the courts record above that has been proven, but does it meet the required threshold to nullify an election...that, the judges will tell us tomorrow. problem is if... 1. System was designed to fail to avoid transparenncy hence taking uss to 5 years ago.. remember Krieglers recommenndations? 2. The tallying was done in a haphazard manner so as to push somebody just above the +1 threshold... hence the insistence by Kethi on that 1k vote reduced and added for some candidates. In this case only 4 constituencies can be used to do that.. Lets not look for 2007 and Nyayo era riggings as threshold for this case Poundfoolish....did CORD's lawyer proove that the system was designed to fail? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/7/2010 Posts: 2,148 Location: elderville
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maka wrote:poundfoolish wrote:murchr wrote:My little understanding of law tells me that judges rule on issues brought b4 them. In that i mean CORDS petition was that the IEBC allowed people not registered to vote, the IEBC conspired with TNA so as that TNA wins the election, the IEBC's systems were made to fail etc....given that the burden of prove lies with the petitioner, has the he provided enough prove to show the above happened?
AFRICOGs issue was that the tallying of the election results was wrong and they indicated that some form 34/36 dint match. Well...form the courts record above that has been proven, but does it meet the required threshold to nullify an election...that, the judges will tell us tomorrow. problem is if... 1. System was designed to fail to avoid transparenncy hence taking uss to 5 years ago.. remember Krieglers recommenndations? 2. The tallying was done in a haphazard manner so as to push somebody just above the +1 threshold... hence the insistence by Kethi on that 1k vote reduced and added for some candidates. In this case only 4 constituencies can be used to do that.. Lets not look for 2007 and Nyayo era riggings as threshold for this case what am getting is life should continue even if the IEBC broke all the rules which they themselves have admitted,just because your candidate is said to have won there was nothing wrong with the election where is the fairness in that...imagine if the Jubilee coalition guys were on the other side would they have accepted the result,a result where one candidate is added votes while others are deducted,the first pperson who said there is a difference between what was being announced at the county level and what is being announced at bomas wasnt even OAR it was PK...about social media I was told to stop talking since things are ok...hizo matusi apparently niza kawaida nothing big. Exactment. And the social media is a reflection of Kenyans IRL and shouldn't just be wished away. He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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about 18hours to go  where's that betting thread I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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