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mwekez@ji
#151 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 4:12:50 PM
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Joined: 5/31/2011
Posts: 5,121
obiero wrote:
Gadaffi wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
hisah wrote:
obiero wrote:
FYR to be released on 14.06.2013 should settle/unsettle all nerves

Should rattle all nerves is more like it unless creative accounting is hired at the finance department. Was the laid off staff issue sorted?


The laid off workers were reinstated and wage bill hurdle remains as was ... @Obiero, whats your FYR expectations?

the last comm i saw frm KQ was that the case was still in court pending determination. r u saying KQ settled n reinstated workers?
Either way, if this issue is nt addressed, th share performance will remain depressed altho significantly improved financial results may overshadow this

@hisah. the latest update i saw was www.nation.co.ke/Feature...12/-/egyf4p/-/index.html
@mwekeza@ji. yet to visit my connected executives at the Exchange Bar for close-to-exact figures, but my own projections point to a 'respectable' net loss not exceeding KES 450M..


@hisah, @Gadaffi, on the court case, we may go by that link given by @obiero.

@Obiero, H1 results was a net loss of KES 4.778 Billion. How could KQ have made a massive net profit of KES 4.338 Billion in H2 results so that FYR can be the said 'respectable' net loss not exceeding KES 450 Million
obiero
#152 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 4:28:10 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,262
Location: nairobi
mwekez@ji wrote:
obiero wrote:
Gadaffi wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
hisah wrote:
obiero wrote:
FYR to be released on 14.06.2013 should settle/unsettle all nerves

Should rattle all nerves is more like it unless creative accounting is hired at the finance department. Was the laid off staff issue sorted?


The laid off workers were reinstated and wage bill hurdle remains as was ... @Obiero, whats your FYR expectations?

the last comm i saw frm KQ was that the case was still in court pending determination. r u saying KQ settled n reinstated workers?
Either way, if this issue is nt addressed, th share performance will remain depressed altho significantly improved financial results may overshadow this

@hisah. the latest update i saw was www.nation.co.ke/Feature...12/-/egyf4p/-/index.html
@mwekeza@ji. yet to visit my connected executives at the Exchange Bar for close-to-exact figures, but my own projections point to a 'respectable' net loss not exceeding KES 450M..


@hisah, @Gadaffi, on the court case, we may go by that link given by @obiero.

@Obiero, H1 results was a net loss of KES 4.778 Billion. How could KQ have made a massive net profit of KES 4.338 Billion in H2 results so that FYR can be the said 'respectable' net loss not exceeding KES 450 Million

@mwekez@ji. leaking revenue streams have been plugged by pull backs/abandonment to destinations such as London, Rome, Musact and Zanzibar. Africa which contributes upwards of 60% to KQ's bottom line shows growth of 10.2% in their Q3 as seen in this www.ventures-africa.com/...erating-results-for-q3/v
finally, gain from fuel derivates were not disclosed/realised in their half year and could be their silverbullet
COOP, IMH, KQ, MTNU
mwekez@ji
#153 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:26:34 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 5/31/2011
Posts: 5,121
obiero wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
obiero wrote:
Gadaffi wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
hisah wrote:
obiero wrote:
FYR to be released on 14.06.2013 should settle/unsettle all nerves

Should rattle all nerves is more like it unless creative accounting is hired at the finance department. Was the laid off staff issue sorted?


The laid off workers were reinstated and wage bill hurdle remains as was ... @Obiero, whats your FYR expectations?

the last comm i saw frm KQ was that the case was still in court pending determination. r u saying KQ settled n reinstated workers?
Either way, if this issue is nt addressed, th share performance will remain depressed altho significantly improved financial results may overshadow this

@hisah. the latest update i saw was www.nation.co.ke/Feature...12/-/egyf4p/-/index.html
@mwekeza@ji. yet to visit my connected executives at the Exchange Bar for close-to-exact figures, but my own projections point to a 'respectable' net loss not exceeding KES 450M..


@hisah, @Gadaffi, on the court case, we may go by that link given by @obiero.

@Obiero, H1 results was a net loss of KES 4.778 Billion. How could KQ have made a massive net profit of KES 4.338 Billion in H2 results so that FYR can be the said 'respectable' net loss not exceeding KES 450 Million

@mwekez@ji. leaking revenue streams have been plugged by pull backs/abandonment to destinations such as London, Rome, Musact and Zanzibar. Africa which contributes upwards of 60% to KQ's bottom line shows growth of 10.2% in their Q3 as seen in this http://www.ventures-africa.com/...perating-results-for-q3/
finally, gain from fuel derivates were not disclosed/realised in their half year and could be their silverbullet


The horse itself painted a neutral picture on its 3Q operating statistics. http://www.kenya-airways.com/Ho...3_OCT_to_DEC_2012/?dis=y

The total passenger tally, which closed at 991,149, indicatef a growth of 3.6% compared to similar period last year. The resultant cabin factor (the number of seats sold)at 69.7% was lower than prior year’s 71.7%.

Within Africa but excluding Kenya (which contibutes c50% of revenue), passengers uplifted totalled 516,894 indicating a growth of 2.9% on the back of 10.1% capacity growth. The resultant passenger cabin factor of 63.6% was 4.5 percentage points lower than similar period last year.

Passenger uplift to Europe (which contributes c26% to revenue) at 95,036 was a reduction from last year’s level of 117,527 following capacity reduction of 26.6% compared to the same quarter of prior year due to capacity rationalization occasioned by the Euro zone crisis and the suspension of the Rome flights.

The two regions mentioned above, which are the main KQ routes, hadn't done well as at end of Q3. I honestly dont expect the H2 profit you allude.

On fuel derivatives, they have been a double edged sword in the past and i dont think anybody should buy KQ based on this coz its not KQ business.

That said, KQ remains a very high beta stock for both FAs and TAs
theking
#154 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 2:07:48 PM
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demand is slowly building up on this counter, it seems to have hit the floor, cartoonists, please interprete the charts for us

http://www.rich.co.ke/rc.../company.php?i=OA%3D%3D
ProverB
#155 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 2:20:15 PM
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Unless there's a turn around in operating margins..it is as crap as the first day i put this up... and getting worse... the answer is not in increased revenues but in managing costs of acquiring that revenue.

..of-late, travelers are heaping praise on KQ for its inflight services..i still wonder..at what cost are these services? ...and NO, i'm not calling for crappy service either..just for services whose cost is recoverable in their pricing of services

..there's a financial advice that cautions against spending money you don't have on things you don't need to please people you don't even care about.

Can someone offer Naikuni a job in civil service?...so that he leaves KQ
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Mastermind
#156 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 5:01:05 PM
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Location: Langley
ProverB wrote:
Unless there's a turn around in operating margins..it is as crap as the first day i put this up... and getting worse... the answer is not in increased revenues but in managing costs of acquiring that revenue.

..of-late, travelers are heaping praise on KQ for its inflight services..i still wonder..at what cost are these services? ...and NO, i'm not calling for crappy service either..just for services whose cost is recoverable in their pricing of services

..there's a financial advice that cautions against spending money you don't have on things you don't need to please people you don't even care about.

Can someone offer Naikuni a job in civil service?...so that he leaves KQ


If i were him i would have left in 2008.
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aemathenge
#157 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 5:41:18 PM
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Joined: 10/18/2008
Posts: 3,434
Location: Kerugoya
ProverB wrote:
Can someone offer Naikuni a job in civil service?...so that he leaves KQ

Any recommendations on who should, in your opinion, take over?

Would you recommend internal sourcing or an outsider for the corner office?
Pesa Nane
#158 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 9:02:00 PM
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Location: 08c
ProverB wrote:
Unless there's a turn around in operating margins..it is as crap as the first day i put this up... and getting worse... the answer is not in increased revenues but in managing costs of acquiring that revenue.

..of-late, travelers are heaping praise on KQ for its inflight services..i still wonder..at what cost are these services? ...and NO, i'm not calling for crappy service either..just for services whose cost is recoverable in their pricing of services

..there's a financial advice that cautions against spending money you don't have on things you don't need to please people you don't even care about.


Eh? Not talking Shhh Noooo, we have v2030 to achieve!
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
mwenza
#159 Posted : Saturday, April 13, 2013 11:49:49 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 4/22/2009
Posts: 2,863
ProverB wrote:
Unless there's a turn around in operating margins..it is as crap as the first day i put this up... and getting worse... the answer is not in increased revenues but in managing costs of acquiring that revenue.

..of-late, travelers are heaping praise on KQ for its inflight services..i still wonder..at what cost are these services? ...and NO, i'm not calling for crappy service either..just for services whose cost is recoverable in their pricing of services

..there's a financial advice that cautions against spending money you don't have on things you don't need to please people you don't even care about.

Can someone offer Naikuni a job in civil service?...so that he leaves KQ


Be careful what you wish for. Naikuni might be appointed as the CAbinet Secretary for transport and communication and end up formulating policies which annihilates KQ even further.
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sparkly
#160 Posted : Sunday, April 14, 2013 4:33:41 PM
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I dare say, KQ looks like i will bottom out in the next six-nine months. I am setting my eyes on it for a speculative move.
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