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Rank: Member Joined: 10/11/2011 Posts: 110 Location: Kenya
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I have wondered for long what the relationship is there between pain and death. How exactly does pain lead to death. You see haemorrhage would cause death by blood loss while suffocation would cut air supply. So what exactly does pain do? 
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/8/2010 Posts: 163 Location: PyongYang
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Just asking, what about those who die in their sleep. do they feel pain? If i showed you where i live, you would think that i was hiding.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/11/2010 Posts: 918
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wajuguna wrote:I have wondered for long what the relationship is there between pain and death. How exactly does pain lead to death. You see haemorrhage would cause death by blood loss while suffocation would cut air supply. So what exactly does pain do? You seem to take it for granted that pain can lead to death. That premise is not necessarily true. In fact I think no amount of pain can kill you. It is only that pain is an outward expression of an underlying problem, such as a missing head if someone decapitates you. That missing head is what kills you, not the pain. So what exactly does pain do? It causes you to reach out to where your melon should be and say, hmm, what is happening here? Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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I fear the pain felt while dying more than death. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/7/2010 Posts: 2,148 Location: elderville
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seppuku wrote:wajuguna wrote:I have wondered for long what the relationship is there between pain and death. How exactly does pain lead to death. You see haemorrhage would cause death by blood loss while suffocation would cut air supply. So what exactly does pain do? You seem to take it for granted that pain can lead to death. That premise is not necessarily true. In fact I think no amount of pain can kill you. It is only that pain is an outward expression of an underlying problem, s uch as a missing head if someone decapitates you. That missing head is what kills you, not the pain. So what exactly does pain do? It causes you to reach out to where your melon should be and say, hmm, what is happening here? Can one really feel pain in such a case? He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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There's an 'all or nothing' law, that leaves a constant sensation of pain after a certain threshold is reached.
Normally great pain must affect organ function, hence may cause death.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/11/2010 Posts: 918
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Elder wrote:seppuku wrote:wajuguna wrote:I have wondered for long what the relationship is there between pain and death. How exactly does pain lead to death. You see haemorrhage would cause death by blood loss while suffocation would cut air supply. So what exactly does pain do? You seem to take it for granted that pain can lead to death. That premise is not necessarily true. In fact I think no amount of pain can kill you. It is only that pain is an outward expression of an underlying problem, s uch as a missing head if someone decapitates you. That missing head is what kills you, not the pain. So what exactly does pain do? It causes you to reach out to where your melon should be and say, hmm, what is happening here? Can one really feel pain in such a case? @Elder, excuse the hyperbole. Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,503 Location: nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:I fear the pain felt while dying more than death. Me too
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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CITAM Valley Road is asking for people who've suffered bereavement to register. They intend to have something for them, in respect to '... after burial'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mukiri wrote:CITAM Valley Road is asking for people who've suffered bereavement to register. They intend to have something for them, in respect to '... after burial' Everyone will register. But then, I thought Church is about eternal life, what is this special program again?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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tycho wrote:Mukiri wrote:CITAM Valley Road is asking for people who've suffered bereavement to register. They intend to have something for them, in respect to '... after burial' Everyone will register. But then, I thought Church is about eternal life, what is this special program again? Go register, the more the merrier. I have a feeling, later, you'll write about it. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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Mukiri wrote:[ Go register, the more the merrier. I have a feeling, later, you'll write about it. How much per bereavement? cz some dudes will start borrowing death certs and burial permits. That's a large calling. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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essyk wrote:Mukiri wrote:[ Go register, the more the merrier. I have a feeling, later, you'll write about it. How much per bereavement? cz some dudes will start borrowing death certs and burial permits. That's a large calling. I think its free Some things you cannot price
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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Mukiri wrote:essyk wrote:Mukiri wrote:[ Go register, the more the merrier. I have a feeling, later, you'll write about it. How much per bereavement? cz some dudes will start borrowing death certs and burial permits. That's a large calling. I think its free Some things you cannot price You are too spirit filled today. What I meant was,some people will register only if they know that something is in store for them. And if such is the case, you will see a turn like hubilee rally. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mukiri wrote:essyk wrote:Mukiri wrote:[ Go register, the more the merrier. I have a feeling, later, you'll write about it. How much per bereavement? cz some dudes will start borrowing death certs and burial permits. That's a large calling. I think its free Some things you cannot price I don't see why people are registering to meet Jesus. Look, what does CITAM mean? This matter of life and death is the center of the Church's existence. If this program is not in every sermon, conversation, and prayer, and event, then I cannot register. But I have a friend who goes to CITAM, and is also berieved. I'll ask him if he will register.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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essyk wrote:Mukiri wrote:essyk wrote:Mukiri wrote:[ Go register, the more the merrier. I have a feeling, later, you'll write about it. How much per bereavement? cz some dudes will start borrowing death certs and burial permits. That's a large calling. I think its free Some things you cannot price You are too spirit filled today. What I meant was,some people will register only if they know that something is in store for them. And if such is the case, you will see a turn like hubilee rally. Amen. If it were up to me, everybody suffering should be touched. Jesus did not cipher whom He healed, whom His words touched. We are all His children. The more the merrier. To whom much is given, much is expected... the counselors with whom the church is working with (forgot the name) have a gift which I'm guessing is being distributed.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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tycho wrote:Mukiri wrote:essyk wrote:Mukiri wrote:[ Go register, the more the merrier. I have a feeling, later, you'll write about it. How much per bereavement? cz some dudes will start borrowing death certs and burial permits. That's a large calling. I think its free Some things you cannot price I don't see why people are registering to meet Jesus. Look, what does CITAM mean? This matter of life and death is the center of the Church's existence. If this program is not in every sermon, conversation, and prayer, and event, then I cannot register. But I have a friend who goes to CITAM, and is also berieved. I'll ask him if he will register.  Please do. It might be a blessing to him.
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