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Wendz
#61 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:43:07 AM
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nakujua wrote:

My thoughts are that ICC is caught between a rock and a very hard place, the kenyan case is not the typical case - the cooperation from the suspects is suspect and I don't think there is any place in the world where suspects of mass murder are tried when not in custody.
they created the mess by not issuing arrest warrants from the word go.


Assuming they did, and now they have to release Ali and Muthaura and Koskey for lack of evidence or evidence being too weak, dont you think they'd be opening themselves for law suits for wrongful detention? and that would be expensive... and it would set precedence. They probably knew from the word go that they did not have a strong case. At least not strong enough to be confident that it will go through.
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Ms Mkenya
#62 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:49:47 AM
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xyzee wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
In essence, does it mean there was no statehouse meeting, and further that UK never planned any attacks as alleged? Freedom pap! Sang ataumia pekee yake. Solid, recorded evidence.


Remember the alleged recordings (if any) are in kalenjin language and i suppose figurative speech was used. In vernecular languages a word or sentence can mean several things.

soon you may hear the guy who gave the initial translation saying that whereas the statement meant A it can also mean B and he is now convinced that Sang meant B and not A as initially alleged.

I think the ICC should leave kenya alone, we have moved on for heavens sake, we learnt our lessons.

there are more deserving cases out there.


I agree with you here. They should leave Kenya alone now. Also,until ICC actually bring cases of someone from the west, they will always fall short in my eyes.
....above all, to stand.
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dunkang
#63 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:51:48 AM
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The issue of bribing and threatening witnesses is also a LIE! If the witnesses are telling them that they have been bought by someone, then ICC should prosecute the bribe giver for interference with witnesses.

SOMEONE NEED TO SUE BENSOUDA FOR DEFAMATION
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essyk
#64 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:29:49 AM
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dunkang wrote:
The issue of bribing and threatening witnesses is also a LIE! If the witnesses are telling them that they have been bought by someone, then ICC should prosecute the bribe giver/receiver for interference with witnesses.

SOMEONE NEED TO SUE BENSOUDA FOR DEFAMATION


Been thinking about that as well.Why can't they take action against the 'witness'?

This case is starting to sound like Vioja Mahague
infact bensouda resembles judge lucy of vioja.

My only concern is the donors.
Matrina and ben may be under pressure to pursue in order to make their existence relevant la siyo funds be reduced and that would def affect their incomes and performance.
Damn Africa why can't they pull out of ICC and set up their own ACC.
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Ms Mkenya
#65 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:34:04 AM
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By the way, what became of those witnesses KNHCR was housing in some posh house in Lavington (was it)?

It was when Hassan Omar was there..
....above all, to stand.
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washiku
#66 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:41:41 AM
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Mwalimu Mati FB Pg:

Former Permanent Secretary, Secretary to the Cabinet and Head of the Public Service Ambassador Francis Muthaura, will this morning address a media conference following the decision by the Office of the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC) to withdraw charges earlier levelled against him.The media conference will be held at the Nairobi Serena Hotel, Amani Room.
What: Amb. Francis K. Muthaura, Media conference
When: Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Where: Nairobi Serena Hotel, Amani Room
Time: 11:00am
Attendees: Amb. Francis K. Muthaura, EGH Former Head of the Public Service
Karim A. Khan QC, Lead Legal Counsel to Amb. Francis Muthaura
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MaichBlack
#67 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:53:08 AM
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Ms Mkenya wrote:
By the way, what became of those witnesses KNHCR was housing in some posh house in Lavington (was it)?

It was when Hassan Omar was there..

This Hassan character planned the whole thing with OAR in advance - but boy, has it backfired!!

Hassan Omar did not just wake up one morning and joined OAR/ODM. They were together all along and his [Hassan's] contribution [given that he has no birrions] was to get the "right" people in the short list for Hague. Everyone after that - including Ocampo depended on that shortlist. Poor Ocampo. He didn't know he was being played - just a pawn in a chess game. His biggest mistake was not to conduct his own investigation from scratch.
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dunkang
#68 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:28:18 PM
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mpobiz
#69 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 1:21:40 PM
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Ms Mkenya wrote:
xyzee wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
In essence, does it mean there was no statehouse meeting, and further that UK never planned any attacks as alleged? Freedom pap! Sang ataumia pekee yake. Solid, recorded evidence.


Remember the alleged recordings (if any) are in kalenjin language and i suppose figurative speech was used. In vernecular languages a word or sentence can mean several things.

soon you may hear the guy who gave the initial translation saying that whereas the statement meant A it can also mean B and he is now convinced that Sang meant B and not A as initially alleged.

I think the ICC should leave kenya alone, we have moved on for heavens sake, we learnt our lessons.

there are more deserving cases out there.


I agree with you here. They should leave Kenya alone now. Also,until ICC actually bring cases of someone from the west, they will always fall short in my eyes.



I think sang will be found guilty . Why?
1-his evidence is recorded
2-its not advisable for icc to aquit evryone to save its face
3-the rescent fallout between jubilee and sang i dont see the goverment keen on helping sang
Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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Ms Mkenya
#70 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 1:41:29 PM
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mpobiz wrote:


I think sang will be found guilty . Why?
1-his evidence is recorded
2-its not advisable for icc to aquit evryone to save its face
3-the rescent fallout between jubilee and sang i dont see the goverment keen on helping sang


Oh ya, i had forgotten he fell out with Jubilee though i still think the biggest issue for him is the recording.. Unless it is said to mean anything else and not incitement. Wooi.
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