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How to tell NSE has bottomed out
hisah
#2621 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:49:24 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
#panic buying on the nse day 2.
3 stocks a bought long time ago gained more than 8 % touching intra day ceiling yesterday. HF, CFCI AND WILLIAMSON. Will the same happen today? I sure hope so. Time to reap.

#making money 2013

CFCI... I thought I'd see 10 next month. At this rate I'll have to ignore the TPs since the rubber band snap effect is too powerful across the market...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
VituVingiSana
#2622 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:44:07 AM
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@AGuy - Williamson is not for you to enjoy today but when you are sipping chai on the porch of your villa as your grandkids play in the lawns of your estate... So does it really matter that the price is today? Unless you want to buy more!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Aguytrying
#2623 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:49:56 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@AGuy - Williamson is not for you to enjoy today but when you are sipping chai on the porch of your villa as your grandkids play in the lawns of your estate... So does it really matter that the price is today? Unless you want to buy more!


So true. Its not for immediate capital gains (eg 3yrs). More of dividend, to have and to hold for the long long term.
I can almost predict its annual cycles but I wont be selling this one soon.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Aguytrying
#2624 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:53:39 AM
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I think its no co-incidence the top 3 stocks today. These stock s are undervalued on a pb basis. And investors know that. Kegen , CFCI , hfck
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
hisah
#2625 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:39:21 PM
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Even crap (neveready and olympia) is getting lifted by the tide.

Lepers such as KK, KQ as well as MSC also find the going easier.

MXKE, NSE20 and NASI all have overstretched tech readings in a span of 2 days (Friday and yesterday)!

This is what happens when everyone is on the extreme end. You get trapped whether it's a bull or bear. I will continue to sell to wanjiku at very expensive prices until they learn the casino...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#2626 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:43:33 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
hisah wrote:

If UK does take the reigns, why would their be econ sanctions?
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Getting elected isn't the problem. It is what he might do after he's sworn. Citing our constitution,ICC and the powers that be getting pissed. That's what might break the camel's back.

Looking at the index,i can only imagine the joy of all those who are riding this wave. I took a sabbatical, i can only watch.

I hope you are enjoying the show!
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
youcan'tstopusnow
#2627 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:49:43 PM
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hisah, ati lepers. Haaaahahaha! That's a good one.
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
muganda
#2628 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:58:59 PM
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Very insightful post! Applause

hisah wrote:
Even crap (neveready and olympia) is getting lifted by the tide.

Lepers such as KK, KQ as well as MSC also find the going easier.

MXKE, NSE20 and NASI all have overstretched tech readings in a span of 2 days (Friday and yesterday)!

This is what happens when everyone is on the extreme end. You get trapped whether it's a bull or bear. I will continue to sell to wanjiku at very expensive prices until they learn the casino...

FUNKY
#2629 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:33:54 PM
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I have a feeling the next mbus is BOC Gases! It is the only counter which is yet to explode.
For Sport
#2630 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:45:52 PM
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hisah wrote:
mkeiyd wrote:
hisah wrote:

If UK does take the reigns, why would their be econ sanctions?
[/color]

Getting elected isn't the problem. It is what he might do after he's sworn. Citing our constitution,ICC and the powers that be getting pissed. That's what might break the camel's back.

Looking at the index,i can only imagine the joy of all those who are riding this wave. I took a sabbatical, i can only watch.

I hope you are enjoying the show!

Sadist Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
hisah
#2631 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 4:45:26 PM
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I decided to data mine this thread that I started to see if the forecasts added up (@chessmaster the data miner can mine more smile ).

All these cartoons below suggested what was coming... I'll continue drawing cartoons to tell the story.

http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=334436#post334436
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=338862#post338862
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=344155#post344155
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=349333#post349333
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=349504#post349504 - response to @mukiri about holding cash on post #1819

When I started this thread I pointed out some conditions that setup a market to vault. NSE20 is coming from the political fever pitch condition. This is still not yet done and dusted since there's the election contention case as well as the ICC overhang barrier. This is why I still don't see this being an extreme bull! There's still fear and that's why a lot of guys are expecting it to crash. The extreme bull will come when the fear of buying will not be present like at the moment. Also a number of IPOs will be flipping on listing and wanjikus will be having lotsa fun. Phrases like 'just buy it'll go up' will be very common. That will be one crowded bus full of 'bull-sterone' and the selloff will be awesome and wanjikus will be heard again saying 'never again am I buying stocks'.

Wash, rinse, repeat as the next cycle restarts...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#2632 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 4:50:33 PM
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I can see FTSE NSE15 and FTSE NSE25 are up 2.83% and 2.61% today. Since the heavyweights didn't rally hard today NSE20 is likely to close 1.2 - 1.5% up which around 4830 - 4870 zone.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
ChessMaster
#2633 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:13:47 PM
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hisah wrote:
I decided to data mine this thread that I started to see if the forecasts added up (@chessmaster the data miner can mine more smile ).

All these cartoons below suggested what was coming... I'll continue drawing cartoons to tell the story.

http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=334436#post334436
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=338862#post338862
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=344155#post344155
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=349333#post349333
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=349504#post349504 - response to @mukiri about holding cash on post #1819

When I started this thread I pointed out some conditions that setup a market to vault. NSE20 is coming from the political fever pitch condition. This is still not yet done and dusted since there's the election contention case as well as the ICC overhang barrier. This is why I still don't see this being an extreme bull! There's still fear and that's why a lot of guys are expecting it to crash. The extreme bull will come when the fear of buying will not be present like at the moment. Also a number of IPOs will be flipping on listing and wanjikus will be having lotsa fun. Phrases like 'just buy it'll go up' will be very common. That will be one crowded bus full of 'bull-sterone' and the selloff will be awesome and wanjikus will be heard again saying 'never again am I buying stocks'.

Wash, rinse, repeat as the next cycle restarts...


Seems we're thinking the same.Saved all the pages on this and investor lounge last week
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
hisah
#2634 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:17:01 PM
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NSE wrote:

Buoyed by the sale of EA Breweries shares, turnover soared to Kes.1.20bn on a volume of 56M shares, up from Kes.658M on 33M shares posted yesterday.

The NSE 20 Share Index was up 3.95% or 189.57 points to stand at 4985.91.

All Share Index (NASI) was up 4.00 points to stand at 119.37.


OMG! I underestimated today's rally. 15pts away from the 5000 handle!!! Resistance levels from 4700 have been blown out off the park!
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
mlennyma
#2635 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:25:02 PM
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God of the highiest heavens,so your time is the best?lets harvest our patience..mongolia
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
ChessMaster
#2636 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:35:09 PM
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hisah wrote:
I decided to data mine this thread that I started to see if the forecasts added up (@chessmaster the data miner can mine more smile ).

All these cartoons below suggested what was coming... I'll continue drawing cartoons to tell the story.

http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=334436#post334436
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=338862#post338862
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=344155#post344155
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=349333#post349333
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=349504#post349504 - response to @mukiri about holding cash on post #1819

When I started this thread I pointed out some conditions that setup a market to vault. NSE20 is coming from the political fever pitch condition. This is still not yet done and dusted since there's the election contention case as well as the ICC overhang barrier. This is why I still don't see this being an extreme bull! There's still fear and that's why a lot of guys are expecting it to crash. The extreme bull will come when the fear of buying will not be present like at the moment. Also a number of IPOs will be flipping on listing and wanjikus will be having lotsa fun. Phrases like 'just buy it'll go up' will be very common. That will be one crowded bus full of 'bull-sterone' and the selloff will be awesome and wanjikus will be heard again saying 'never again am I buying stocks'.

Wash, rinse, repeat as the next cycle restarts...


Forecasts have been generally good so far except for effects of inflation and elections where taking the opposite position worked.In both TAs and fundies,timing was the most difficult to achieve.

Let me share some findings - When its bottomed and thriving:

1.When brokers stop contacting people for great deals.
2.Very few threads on stocks on Wazua.
3.When brokers are getting profits.
4.When the investor section is more or just as popular as the politics section.
5.When 'wanjiku's' start asking for investment advice and more frequently.
6.When ATS and Online trading systems stop failing - Note,I have noticed mystocks was failing when the market was upbeat.
7.When companies show they are more resilient than market conditions.
8.When Wazuans/Wazualets stop arguing over the market and positions.
9.When there are large and consistent trades.
10.When people are complaining about their cash positions
11.When people start focusing on exit targets rather than looking for bargains.
12.When people stop clinging on to a few shares as indicators.
13.When speculation overrides sentiments.
14.When people are more concerned about TA than fundies.
15.When people throw out both fundies and TA out of the window.
16.When neveready is the highest gainer of the day.Actually happened!
17.When market returns surpass inflation.
18.When more and more companies are expanding.
19.When IPOs and rights issues are on the rise and oversubscribed.
20.When the media shifts from sugarcoating bad news to preaching the good news.
21.When people stop finding the alternative investment segment attractive.
22.When people are more worried about getting out than getting in.This works both ways,when people are feeling both the greed and fear.
23.When people have gotten used to a bear market and start predicting how low a share will go.
24.When NSE is more frequent and confident with their 'twirra' updates.
25.When people stop flattery and romance has bottomed.
26.When majority shares stop trading below,at or slighty above P/B and P/E's 'screaming at people to buy' them.
27.When wazuans/wazualets resurface.
smile
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
VituVingiSana
#2637 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:41:38 PM
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@ChessMaster makes us laugh Applause Applause Applause Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Loving the list & so true! Applause Applause Applause
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
simmons
#2638 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:47:58 PM
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for real
Never be afraid to try something new.Remeber,amateurs built the ark Professionals built titanic.-Anonymous
VituVingiSana
#2639 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:48:54 PM
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The Gambler by Kenny Rogers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj4nJ1YEAp4
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
simmons
#2640 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:13:11 PM
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[quote=VituVingiSana]The Gambler by Kenny Rogers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj4nJ1YEAp4[/quote]

Lets hope for the best and epect the worse
Never be afraid to try something new.Remeber,amateurs built the ark Professionals built titanic.-Anonymous
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