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Die-hard Toyota sufferers
newstan2013
#1 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:09:27 PM
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Why does everybody seem to be inclined to the idea that Toyota is a superior brand? Sure it's got the Vvti technology, so what? Are you aware of the GDI engine from mitsubishi that's the equivalent of Toyota's vvti? What about the VTEC Engine system present in Honda or the CVTC in the Nissan cars? We find ourselves committing the same blunder of purchasing a 13 year old Toyota car at the same price with a 5 year old Nissan all because of the brand name. everyone keeps talking about availability of spare parts forgetting that the only reason Toyota parts are readily available is because these cars are not made to last. Otherwise, why would anyone driving say, a Mitsubishi lancer need spares as often as someone with a Toyota Platz? Does anyone share the same opinion with me?
elder1981
#2 Posted : Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:12:04 AM
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By the way no company in this age is in the business of making bad cars. whats happening is called Brand loyalty and it works very well in this side of the Sahara. I've been a safcom customer for 7yrs na ata wakiongeza bei sihami.
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kamundu
#3 Posted : Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:33:36 AM
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Ive test driven many cars. Toyotas are good, infact Ive had two which have served me very well. Hondas and Subs are Nice, However,I prefer not spend too much on maintenance. If you put good parts on Toyos they really last, also If your car breaks down anywhere in Kenya you are most likely going to be able to do first aid on the car, Unlike other models which you might have to tow the car to Nairobi. Resale value excellent. I sold my first Toyota 100, at 40k less than I had bought it 2 years earlier
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premio
#4 Posted : Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:18:58 AM
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honestly Toyotas are quite reliable and easy to sort incase of problems but i would rather import a 2006 nissan tiida at 550k will give me two year of good ride suspension than buy a 1999 premio with worn out suspension and 5 color coats. O nt the other hand if buying locally i better get a well used corolla nze 121 say 2004 model @650k than a localy sold newly imported 2006 tiida at 700k reliability reliability.
mitsubishi is a sad story look at the garages and count the number of lancers,pajeros gdis on stones as shells rarelly will an equivalent toyota give u engine transmission faults like the mitshubishi i would say 8 out of 10 mits gdi (gdi ex japan)l will suffer major engine problems unlike toyos 1/10. This is because these engines are made to use pure gasoline not the stuff we have here. On the other hand an efi/vvti will survive even a diesel misfeed with minor cleanups.
Ngong
#5 Posted : Friday, March 01, 2013 10:59:14 AM
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Na BMW 3 Series iko Vipi?
mawinder
#6 Posted : Friday, March 01, 2013 11:26:01 AM
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Ngong wrote:
Na BMW 3 Series iko Vipi?

ground clearence is not good but nevertheless if you treat it well,it is a nice machine.I prefer a Mercedes E200 if you can afford it.
tuvok
#7 Posted : Friday, March 01, 2013 12:46:45 PM
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newstan2013 wrote:
.... Are you aware of the GDI engine from mitsubishi that's the equivalent of Toyota's vvti? What about the VTEC Engine system present in Honda or the CVTC in the Nissan cars? ......



Correction:
GDI (Direct Injection) - The Toyota equivalent is the D4, D4-S engines (and the VW equivalent is FSI).

The Mitsubishi equivalent of VVTi is MIVEC.

It is however true that most modern cars utilize variable valve timing technology to boost torque and improve fuel economy.


Why people are obsessed with Toyota locally?

My 3 bob:

1. Easily available spares - cheap second hand spares. I always do originals though but that's me.
2. Familiarity? Most mechanics are comfortable working with them. For others they prefer to be part of the majority driving toyotas.
3. Reliability - Japanese cars consistently top the reliability indices, so this applies across the board.

If I was to get another Jap car it would probably be a Honda though (mostly because of point #3 - it is at the top).

If I was to get a Euro car, it would probably be a Merc (E Class generally again mostly because of point #3 - probably one of the most reliable euro cars ).

Confession (currently on an old toyo as I focus on 'other things' before replacing the car)

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I forget - the other big reason guys like toyotas is resale value
Ngong
#8 Posted : Friday, March 01, 2013 12:54:36 PM
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mawinder wrote:
Ngong wrote:
Na BMW 3 Series iko Vipi?

ground clearence is not good but nevertheless if you treat it well,it is a nice machine.I prefer a Mercedes E200 if you can afford it.


Been viewing at some SA sites for BMW and they are affordable same prices or slight difference to the common toyotas.
Anybody with logistics involved to get one to Kenya from SA.
vky
#9 Posted : Saturday, March 02, 2013 9:32:00 AM
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I too also believed in the reliability of jap cars until I started using a 2005 ford focus zetec 1.6 hatchback in late 2011, after about 16 months of reliable motoring without any issues and how the car handles and performs on the road, I believe this car is up there with the japs in terms of reliability, fuel efficiency, running costs as for parts I havnt changed any as the car is in great shape but due to the world wide popularity of the focus getting parts would be relatively easy plus the ford focus is easy on the eyes as it is quite a looker and holds its value really well
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AlphDoti
#10 Posted : Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:22:37 AM
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elder1981 wrote:
By the way no company in this age is in the business of making bad cars. whats happening is called Brand loyalty and it works very well in this side of the Sahara. I've been a safcom customer for 7yrs na ata wakiongeza bei sihami.

From the time I moved from Toyo, I have not regreted. A Honda part lasts over 3 times more than Toyota part, and about twice more expensive.

Hondas are more stable. But I don't mind going back to Toyo because they are reliable cars as well.

NOTE: I agree with @elder1981 about brand loyalty. Me too, since I bought my Safcom line 8 years ago, I've been a loyal customer.
CLK
#11 Posted : Sunday, March 10, 2013 12:01:29 PM
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Ngong wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Ngong wrote:
Na BMW 3 Series iko Vipi?

ground clearence is not good but nevertheless if you treat it well,it is a nice machine.I prefer a Mercedes E200 if you can afford it.


Been viewing at some SA sites for BMW and they are affordable same prices or slight difference to the common toyotas.
Anybody with logistics involved to get one to Kenya from SA.


Shipping challenges, unlike japan where there is a Roro waiting to be loaded. Pple opt for driving the car here but not sure the BMW being a sensitive car can survive the bad roads between here and SA.

I find BMW very sensitive, na sio gari ya kwenda mashinani kila wakati, haipendi vumbi.
CLK
#12 Posted : Sunday, March 10, 2013 12:03:39 PM
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Any views on the VW Jetta/Passat FSI engine?
quicksand
#13 Posted : Sunday, March 10, 2013 1:00:21 PM
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CLK wrote:
Any views on the VW Jetta/Passat FSI engine?

Said to burn oil faster so if you play pennies with it you will have an engine knock on your hands. Synthetic oil, always topped off and changed regularly.
Ngong
#14 Posted : Monday, March 11, 2013 9:07:01 PM
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CLK wrote:
Ngong wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Ngong wrote:
Na BMW 3 Series iko Vipi?

ground clearence is not good but nevertheless if you treat it well,it is a nice machine.I prefer a Mercedes E200 if you can afford it.


Been viewing at some SA sites for BMW and they are affordable same prices or slight difference to the common toyotas.
Anybody with logistics involved to get one to Kenya from SA.


Shipping challenges, unlike japan where there is a Roro waiting to be loaded. Pple opt for driving the car here but not sure the BMW being a sensitive car can survive the bad roads between here and SA.

I find BMW very sensitive, na sio gari ya kwenda mashinani kila wakati, haipendi vumbi.


Thanks!
obiero
#15 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:29:32 AM
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CLK wrote:
Ngong wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Ngong wrote:
Na BMW 3 Series iko Vipi?

ground clearence is not good but nevertheless if you treat it well,it is a nice machine.I prefer a Mercedes E200 if you can afford it.


Been viewing at some SA sites for BMW and they are affordable same prices or slight difference to the common toyotas.
Anybody with logistics involved to get one to Kenya from SA.


Shipping challenges, unlike japan where there is a Roro waiting to be loaded. Pple opt for driving the car here but not sure the BMW being a sensitive car can survive the bad roads between here and SA.

I find BMW very sensitive, na sio gari ya kwenda mashinani kila wakati, haipendi vumbi.

Hahaha. Funny that. Ati haipendi vumbi.. Haha

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Ngong
#16 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:16:01 PM
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obiero wrote:
CLK wrote:
Ngong wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Ngong wrote:
Na BMW 3 Series iko Vipi?

ground clearence is not good but nevertheless if you treat it well,it is a nice machine.I prefer a Mercedes E200 if you can afford it.


Been viewing at some SA sites for BMW and they are affordable same prices or slight difference to the common toyotas.
Anybody with logistics involved to get one to Kenya from SA.


Shipping challenges, unlike japan where there is a Roro waiting to be loaded. Pple opt for driving the car here but not sure the BMW being a sensitive car can survive the bad roads between here and SA.

I find BMW very sensitive, na sio gari ya kwenda mashinani kila wakati, haipendi vumbi.

Hahaha. Funny that. Ati haipendi vumbi.. Haha



@Obiero help us here,you have,one how is it?
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