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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/11/2006 Posts: 931
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The spoilt votes includes presidential, gubernatorial, senatorial and the other three elective position. It will be very wrong to treat them as presidential votes. If they are to be included in the final tally, then they should be separated “Invest in yourself. Your career is the engine of your wealth.”
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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ngapat wrote:The spoilt votes includes presidential, gubernatorial, senatorial and the other three elective position. It will be very wrong to treat them as presidential votes. If they are to be included in the final tally, then they should be separated If they are separated, then we should also look for those presidential votes which were wrongly put in the gubernatoril, senatorial boxies etc. This is difficult and messy as it means re-opening all ballot boxies. This is a catch 22 situation, nobody expected it, run-off here we come
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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Don't assume that the majority of rejected votes are those put in the wrong box. Hassan clearly stated that they will do and audit. Until that audit is done, no one knows... Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,908
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Do they even have a choice in this matter, and with such a high number of disenfranchised voters:
CONSTITUTION OF KENYA
Article 138 - Procedure at presidential election:
A candidate shall be declared elected as President if the
candidate receives—
(a) more than half of all the votes cast in the election; and
(b) at least twenty-five per cent of the votes cast in each of more
than half of the counties.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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muganda wrote:Do they even have a choice in this matter, and with such a high number of disenfranchised voters:
CONSTITUTION OF KENYA
Article 138 - Procedure at presidential election:
A candidate shall be declared elected as President if the
candidate receives—
(a) more than half of all the votes cast in the election; and
(b) at least twenty-five per cent of the votes cast in each of more
than half of the counties.
Is it possible to go to court to challenge your constitution? Lawyers pls help! Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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“According to the constitution, the text is very clear: it’s not the valid votes cast but the votes cast, so therefore we have to include them in our calculations,” said Salim Lone, spokesman for Mr Odinga. I can see where the pressure is coming from. The losing side despite makerege's lies. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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muganda wrote:Do they even have a choice in this matter, and with such a high number of disenfranchised voters:
CONSTITUTION OF KENYA
Article 138 - Procedure at presidential election:
A candidate shall be declared elected as President if the
candidate receives—
(a) more than half of all the votes cast in the election; and
(b) at least twenty-five per cent of the votes cast in each of more
than half of the counties.
Boss, some of the rejected votes in other boxies other than presidential were possibly meant for certain presidential candidates, thus you are not solving the problem by just including rejected votes in the tally without sorting. The only authentic solution is in re-opening all ballot boxies and reconciling the same. But supreme court will argue this is messy, not practically possible to do within 14 days and may not even produce a clear winner. The court will determine that a run-off is inevitable, which is ok for me so we can get a clear and undisputed winner. Next thread!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/21/2008 Posts: 2,490
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muganda wrote:Do they even have a choice in this matter, and with such a high number of disenfranchised voters:
CONSTITUTION OF KENYA
Article 138 - Procedure at presidential election:
A candidate shall be declared elected as President if the
candidate receives—
(a) more than half of all the votes cast in the election; and
(b) at least twenty-five per cent of the votes cast in each of more
than half of the counties.
But Votes cast should be for presidential only – not a senator vote put in the presidential ballot and considered a spoilt vote for the presidential. The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Even lawyers cant agree on this. Let it go to the courts for interpretation because it will be there all elections. If the courts rule that all rejects have to be included, this will mean in future we will be doing round 2 always.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/17/2008 Posts: 1,234
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limanika wrote:ngapat wrote:The spoilt votes includes presidential, gubernatorial, senatorial and the other three elective position. It will be very wrong to treat them as presidential votes. If they are to be included in the final tally, then they should be separated If they are separated, then we should also look for those presidential votes which were wrongly put in the gubernatoril, senatorial boxies etc. This is difficult and messy as it means re-opening all ballot boxies. This is a catch 22 situation, nobody expected it, run-off here we come There would be no basis for going to look for presidential ballots in other ballot boxes that are not presidential. They were not put in the presidential ballot boxes hence are not "cast" votes for purposes of the presidential elections. Ballots for senators, MPs, women reps, county reps, governors placed wrongly in the presidential ballot votes DO NOT constitute "votes cast" in the presidential election hence must be excluded. Otherwise one could argue that any piece of paper found in the presidential ballot boxes must be taken into account for the purposes of calculating whether one has garnered 50% + 1.
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