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digitek1
#11 Posted : Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:03:27 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
blueman wrote:
Where is the logic in calling a spoilt vote a vote?


Because it was a vote, that subsequently got spoilt.

because it was a BALLOT that got spoilt but not a VOTE. vote implies choice has been made
I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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blueman
#12 Posted : Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:06:31 PM
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mwenza wrote:
blueman wrote:
Where is the logic in calling a spoilt vote a vote?


The same logic which makes us call a stupid person a person!

Not the same!
A stupid person can eat, cry, sleep and accuse... just like a person can;
A more apt analogy would be a dead and a living person.
A dead person cannot do the same things that a living person can do,in fact a dead person cannot do anything! same way a spoilt vote cannot do same things as a valid vote, it is dead and should not be able to do anything.
IEBC is giving a spoilt vote the same power as a valid vote to decide!
We make or break our own tomorrows today!
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ecstacy
#13 Posted : Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:08:22 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
blueman wrote:
Where is the logic in calling a spoilt vote a vote?


Because it was a vote, that subsequently got spoilt.


I'm interested to know what the effect of a Spoilt Vote really is? You'd expect anything identified as spoilt to be discarded immediately. Including it in the calculation re-validates it.
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Much Know
#14 Posted : Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:08:42 PM
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This will be decided by Supreme Court if cord does not surrender, it will be a waste of money and time to do a re-run on this technicality.
Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rahatupu
#15 Posted : Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:10:21 PM
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Much Know wrote:
This will be decided by Supreme Court if cord does not surrender, it will be a waste of money and time to do a re-run on this technicality.



I foresee the CJ factor playing a critical factor in this...... teren teren....
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Much Know
#16 Posted : Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:15:46 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
Much Know wrote:
This will be decided by Supreme Court if cord does not surrender, it will be a waste of money and time to do a re-run on this technicality.



I foresee the CJ factor playing a critical factor in this...... teren teren....


CJ will carry one out of five votes on this issue, therefore common sense will prevail
Ras Kienyeji Man
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Kratos
#17 Posted : Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:19:06 PM
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ecstacy wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
blueman wrote:
Where is the logic in calling a spoilt vote a vote?


Because it was a vote, that subsequently got spoilt.


I'm interested to know what the effect of a Spoilt Vote really is? You'd expect anything identified as spoilt to be discarded immediately. Including it in the calculation re-validates it.


I guess the reason they wouldn't be discarded is to account for each and every ballot paper that the station has been issued with.
Interestingly what I would want to know, in-case of a recount ordered by the the courts as with election petitions, do they count the spoilt and rejected ballots afresh and ascertain whether they are indeed so??

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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mwenza
#18 Posted : Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:28:10 PM
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blueman wrote:
mwenza wrote:
blueman wrote:
Where is the logic in calling a spoilt vote a vote?


The same logic which makes us call a stupid person a person!

Not the same!
A stupid person can eat, cry, sleep and accuse... just like a person can;
A more apt analogy would be a dead and a living person.
A dead person cannot do the same things that a living person can do,in fact a dead person cannot do anything! same way a spoilt vote cannot do same things as a valid vote, it is dead and should not be able to do anything.
IEBC is giving a spoilt vote the same power as a valid vote to decide!


Both valid and spoilt votes are cast by living human beings.
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Kratos
#19 Posted : Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:31:04 PM
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Back to basics: Is there a difference between a spoilt vote and a rejected vote? I couldn't find anything as regards the Kenyan laws but found this for Canada and am sure it shouldn't be so different from the Kenyan scenario.

Do you know the difference between a spoiled ballot and rejected ballot?

"A spoiled ballot is one that either the Deputy Returning Officer sees there is problem with it (ie a printing problem or it is soiled) and the Deputy Returning Officer sets it aside or a ballot that was inadvertently handled by the elector so as to render it unusable. In the latter case the elector would hand the ballot back to the Deputy Returning Officer and be given a new ballot. The spoiled ballots are set aside in their own envelope and then counted as all ballots must be accounted for but they are not counted as a vote as they were never put in the ballot box. A spoiled ballot is different from a rejected ballot.

A rejected ballot is when the elector puts the ballot in the ballot box, and once the votes are counted, it is rejected by the Deputy Returning Officer for one of the reasons stated in Subsection 284(1) of the Canada Elections Act, such as the elector could be identified, the elector did not select any of the candidates, the elector selected more than one candidate, etc. If you were to write something on the ballot to the effect that you were not satisfied with any of the candidates, it would be rejected and reported as rejected in statistical reports. It would be grouped with all of the other rejected ballots under 284(1) and not broken down by reasons for rejection.

If the same case applies here i think we are mixing up terminologies.....d'oh!

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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blueman
#20 Posted : Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:35:58 PM
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mwenza wrote:
blueman wrote:
mwenza wrote:
blueman wrote:
Where is the logic in calling a spoilt vote a vote?


The same logic which makes us call a stupid person a person!

Not the same!
A stupid person can eat, cry, sleep and accuse... just like a person can;
A more apt analogy would be a dead and a living person.
A dead person cannot do the same things that a living person can do,in fact a dead person cannot do anything! same way a spoilt vote cannot do same things as a valid vote, it is dead and should not be able to do anything.
IEBC is giving a spoilt vote the same power as a valid vote to decide!


Both valid and spoilt votes are cast by living human beings.


@mwenza, u missed the point! Reference to dead and living was only an analogy to suggest that rejected votes are as good as dead (meaning of no use)
We make or break our own tomorrows today!
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