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ChessMaster
#81 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 7:11:54 PM
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What do you think is the psychological implication of gossip and its possible psychological effects?
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tycho
#82 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 9:17:27 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
What do you think is the psychological implication of gossip and its possible psychological effects?


The psychological implications are:

1. Communication is not just about conveying messages, but is about constructing a stable world.

2. Communication is imperfect either accidentally, or intentionally

3. One can build a self concept by negating another.

Effects:

1. Increase in levels of imperfect communication

2. Attempts to exert control over others and nature through witchcraft, magic, or such means

3. Lowered productivity and poverty
ChessMaster
#83 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 3:39:26 PM
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tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
What do you think is the psychological implication of gossip and its possible psychological effects?


The psychological implications are:

1. Communication is not just about conveying messages, but is about constructing a stable world.

2. Communication is imperfect either accidentally, or intentionally

3. One can build a self concept by negating another.

Effects:

1. Increase in levels of imperfect communication

2. Attempts to exert control over others and nature through witchcraft, magic, or such means

3. Lowered productivity and poverty


By negating others in attempts to lift yourself above them.Is that what you mean?
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tycho
#84 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 7:47:17 PM
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Yes.
ChessMaster
#85 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 7:52:26 PM
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Is that a sign of self esteem issues?
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tycho
#86 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:00:47 PM
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Self esteem is also about self comprehension, and an 'urge' to probe meeting resistance, or non-understanding.

It is a world of 'darkness'.
ChessMaster
#87 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:03:31 PM
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tycho wrote:
Self esteem is also about self comprehension, and an 'urge' to probe meeting resistance, or non-understanding.

It is a world of 'darkness'.


Can you discover the light without passing through darkness?
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#88 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:12:27 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
Self esteem is also about self comprehension, and an 'urge' to probe meeting resistance, or non-understanding.

It is a world of 'darkness'.


Can you discover the light without passing through darkness?


No. This illuminates on the idea of the 'original sin', and 'rebirth' doesn't it?
ChessMaster
#89 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:18:30 PM
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tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
Self esteem is also about self comprehension, and an 'urge' to probe meeting resistance, or non-understanding.

It is a world of 'darkness'.


Can you discover the light without passing through darkness?


No. This illuminates on the idea of the 'original sin', and 'rebirth' doesn't it?


Yes it does.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#90 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:32:29 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
Self esteem is also about self comprehension, and an 'urge' to probe meeting resistance, or non-understanding.

It is a world of 'darkness'.


Can you discover the light without passing through darkness?


No. This illuminates on the idea of the 'original sin', and 'rebirth' doesn't it?


Yes it does.


Therefore, the 'positive' role of the 'devil' can be seen, and the rationale, of 'final judgment'.
ChessMaster
#91 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:41:13 PM
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tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
Self esteem is also about self comprehension, and an 'urge' to probe meeting resistance, or non-understanding.

It is a world of 'darkness'.


Can you discover the light without passing through darkness?


No. This illuminates on the idea of the 'original sin', and 'rebirth' doesn't it?


Yes it does.


Therefore, the 'positive' role of the 'devil' can be seen, and the rationale, of 'final judgment'.


I've always wondered about this matter. To say that he is positive would imply a better state than the one that was before. I assume the state before was a perfect one nurtured by God. Since now we are not in that intended state or any better of,I would say negative state. Though final judgement would be an improvement of states for some.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#92 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:40:08 AM
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Findings:

1. Hippocrates was right. The brain accounts for ALL our experiences.

2. The Mind - Brain relationship is that of the chicken - egg situation.

3. A host of treatments that are cheaper, versatile and humanizing can be generated by the use of ICT- 'digital therapy'.

4. It is now possible, with various digital therapies, to equate mental health care to visiting the gym or swimming pool.

5. With the digital revolution, schools will increasingly turn to providing mental health services instead of 'instruction' as they are used to.

6. The role of the gene, and methods of genetic engineering will have to be reconsidered. Virtual reality can induce genetic change.

7. Ideas about 'life force' need to be revisited as they promise to bring a host of cures in both somatic and mental cases.

All these imply that we can improve intelligence, performance, and well being of most people before and after birth, and even after 'socialization'.

Apparently, our 'big' political,economic, spiritual and social problems, are in fact, mental health issues.
tycho
#93 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:25:02 PM
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@ChessMaster, the brain 'generates' the mind. But there's the 'I'. 'My mind'. 'His mind'.

Events are happening in my mind, I see only where the 'I' has presence, whether in the future or past.

Whatever happens in the mind is translated to action in the context of relationships.

That is, a person is the interelation of what the 'I' sees, action, and human relations, in the dynamic equilibrium of being.

Therefore all mental states are equilibrium states.

That is, any mental state is an equilibrium of the tensions at play around the triad of the I, actions, relationships.

Mental state abnormalities occur then, when one's actions, destabilize relationships to a level of inducing anarchy and social breakdown.

Ailments occur when social equilibrium is uncertain, or broken, but with hopes for a return to equilibrium because guilt is bearable and face can be saved.

Illnesses on the other hand, are 'I' states that negate 'modal' relations in a society.

But these states are equilibrium conditions in themselves.

Illness can occur at any point of presence. That is, the 'I', the relationship, or the act; but includes all three points.

Thus treatment must always consist of counter symbols representing the three points.

Ailments and illnesses occur in triads. Being occurs in triads.

The purely individual patient doesn't exist.





ChessMaster
#94 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:16:56 PM
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tycho wrote:
@ChessMaster, the brain 'generates' the mind. But there's the 'I'. 'My mind'. 'His mind'.

Events are happening in my mind, I see only where the 'I' has presence, whether in the future or past.

Whatever happens in the mind is translated to action in the context of relationships.

That is, a person is the interelation of what the 'I' sees, action, and human relations, in the dynamic equilibrium of being.

Therefore all mental states are equilibrium states.

That is, any mental state is an equilibrium of the tensions at play around the triad of the I, actions, relationships.

Mental state abnormalities occur then, when one's actions, destabilize relationships to a level of inducing anarchy and social breakdown.

Ailments occur when social equilibrium is uncertain, or broken, but with hopes for a return to equilibrium because guilt is bearable and face can be saved.

Illnesses on the other hand, are 'I' states that negate 'modal' relations in a society.

But these states are equilibrium conditions in themselves.

Illness can occur at any point of presence. That is, the 'I', the relationship, or the act; but includes all three points.

Thus treatment must always consist of counter symbols representing the three points.

Ailments and illnesses occur in triads. Being occurs in triads.

The purely individual patient doesn't exist.



Very true. I see your point. Man in a social being,its part of his environment.If ailments occur in triads,the 'I',society and what is the third?
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
ChessMaster
#95 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:32:57 PM
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tycho wrote:
Findings:

1. Hippocrates was right. The brain accounts for ALL our experiences.

2. The Mind - Brain relationship is that of the chicken - egg situation.

3. A host of treatments that are cheaper, versatile and humanizing can be generated by the use of ICT- 'digital therapy'.

4. It is now possible, with various digital therapies, to equate mental health care to visiting the gym or swimming pool.

5. With the digital revolution, schools will increasingly turn to providing mental health services instead of 'instruction' as they are used to.

6. The role of the gene, and methods of genetic engineering will have to be reconsidered. Virtual reality can induce genetic change.

7. Ideas about 'life force' need to be revisited as they promise to bring a host of cures in both somatic and mental cases.

All these imply that we can improve intelligence, performance, and well being of most people before and after birth, and even after 'socialization'.

Apparently, our 'big' political,economic, spiritual and social problems, are in fact, mental health issues.


Schools should increase consideration of mental health care but I hope it isn't like the American system. Its proving to be ineffective and only profitable to pharmaceuticals.

How can virtual reality induce genetic change?

Socialization is a big problem. A lot of conflicts between the individual and society develop mental ailments.

I agree with the last point. There is a lot of irrationality. You only need to look at extreme cases of debt to see priorities are not in order.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#96 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:45:42 AM
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ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
@ChessMaster, the brain 'generates' the mind. But there's the 'I'. 'My mind'. 'His mind'.

Events are happening in my mind, I see only where the 'I' has presence, whether in the future or past.

Whatever happens in the mind is translated to action in the context of relationships.

That is, a person is the interelation of what the 'I' sees, action, and human relations, in the dynamic equilibrium of being.

Therefore all mental states are equilibrium states.

That is, any mental state is an equilibrium of the tensions at play around the triad of the I, actions, relationships.

Mental state abnormalities occur then, when one's actions, destabilize relationships to a level of inducing anarchy and social breakdown.

Ailments occur when social equilibrium is uncertain, or broken, but with hopes for a return to equilibrium because guilt is bearable and face can be saved.

Illnesses on the other hand, are 'I' states that negate 'modal' relations in a society.

But these states are equilibrium conditions in themselves.

Illness can occur at any point of presence. That is, the 'I', the relationship, or the act; but includes all three points.

Thus treatment must always consist of counter symbols representing the three points.

Ailments and illnesses occur in triads. Being occurs in triads.

The purely individual patient doesn't exist.



Very true. I see your point. Man in a social being,its part of his environment.If ailments occur in triads,the 'I',society and what is the third?


Action. 'Society' has expanded to allow for interaction with intelligent objects, globalization, and virtual reality, how do we conceptualize this? I prefer using 'relations' instead.

Relations generate action.
tycho
#97 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:55:54 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
Findings:

1. Hippocrates was right. The brain accounts for ALL our experiences.

2. The Mind - Brain relationship is that of the chicken - egg situation.

3. A host of treatments that are cheaper, versatile and humanizing can be generated by the use of ICT- 'digital therapy'.

4. It is now possible, with various digital therapies, to equate mental health care to visiting the gym or swimming pool.

5. With the digital revolution, schools will increasingly turn to providing mental health services instead of 'instruction' as they are used to.

6. The role of the gene, and methods of genetic engineering will have to be reconsidered. Virtual reality can induce genetic change.

7. Ideas about 'life force' need to be revisited as they promise to bring a host of cures in both somatic and mental cases.

All these imply that we can improve intelligence, performance, and well being of most people before and after birth, and even after 'socialization'.

Apparently, our 'big' political,economic, spiritual and social problems, are in fact, mental health issues.


Schools should increase consideration of mental health care but I hope it isn't like the American system. Its proving to be ineffective and only profitable to pharmaceuticals.

How can virtual reality induce genetic change?

Socialization is a big problem. A lot of conflicts between the individual and society develop mental ailments.

I agree with the last point. There is a lot of irrationality. You only need to look at extreme cases of debt to see priorities are not in order.


Relations in a knowledgeand technology based world will only thrive under mutualist conditions.

Students will need to earn as they learn, and organizations, learn as they earn.

With regard to mental health, the key will be functional digital products that are interactive and mutualist.

Virtual reality is the 'I's reality as perceived in the mind. But the mind is generated by the brain, and the brain is dependent on perception. Hence the organism. Hence 'natural selection'.

Thus digital stimulation of the brain can induce genetic changes.

How does genetic inheritance occur? Why does it occur?

Genetic transfer is an energic process in the womb that is mutual. This implies that there is equilibrium between mother and zygote.

So stimulating the mother will definitely stimulate the zygote.

This resolves many problems regarding socialization.Digital products will help create time. For example, if you have one digital clone then your day could have at least, 48 hours. That is, one can have as much time as she wishes. Socialization is about time - need management, what happens if there is infinite time?

Societies can get sick. For example, forced taxation systems break relations and engender corruption and debt.






ChessMaster
#98 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:42:37 PM
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tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
@ChessMaster, the brain 'generates' the mind. But there's the 'I'. 'My mind'. 'His mind'.

Events are happening in my mind, I see only where the 'I' has presence, whether in the future or past.

Whatever happens in the mind is translated to action in the context of relationships.

That is, a person is the interelation of what the 'I' sees, action, and human relations, in the dynamic equilibrium of being.

Therefore all mental states are equilibrium states.

That is, any mental state is an equilibrium of the tensions at play around the triad of the I, actions, relationships.

Mental state abnormalities occur then, when one's actions, destabilize relationships to a level of inducing anarchy and social breakdown.

Ailments occur when social equilibrium is uncertain, or broken, but with hopes for a return to equilibrium because guilt is bearable and face can be saved.

Illnesses on the other hand, are 'I' states that negate 'modal' relations in a society.

But these states are equilibrium conditions in themselves.

Illness can occur at any point of presence. That is, the 'I', the relationship, or the act; but includes all three points.

Thus treatment must always consist of counter symbols representing the three points.

Ailments and illnesses occur in triads. Being occurs in triads.

The purely individual patient doesn't exist.



Very true. I see your point. Man in a social being,its part of his environment.If ailments occur in triads,the 'I',society and what is the third?


Action. 'Society' has expanded to allow for interaction with intelligent objects, globalization, and virtual reality, how do we conceptualize this? I prefer using 'relations' instead.

Relations generate action.


In this day and age,we are more aware of technology and the future changes than the previous generations. The concept is already deeply embedded.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
ChessMaster
#99 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:46:39 PM
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tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
Findings:

1. Hippocrates was right. The brain accounts for ALL our experiences.

2. The Mind - Brain relationship is that of the chicken - egg situation.

3. A host of treatments that are cheaper, versatile and humanizing can be generated by the use of ICT- 'digital therapy'.

4. It is now possible, with various digital therapies, to equate mental health care to visiting the gym or swimming pool.

5. With the digital revolution, schools will increasingly turn to providing mental health services instead of 'instruction' as they are used to.

6. The role of the gene, and methods of genetic engineering will have to be reconsidered. Virtual reality can induce genetic change.

7. Ideas about 'life force' need to be revisited as they promise to bring a host of cures in both somatic and mental cases.

All these imply that we can improve intelligence, performance, and well being of most people before and after birth, and even after 'socialization'.

Apparently, our 'big' political,economic, spiritual and social problems, are in fact, mental health issues.


Schools should increase consideration of mental health care but I hope it isn't like the American system. Its proving to be ineffective and only profitable to pharmaceuticals.

How can virtual reality induce genetic change?

Socialization is a big problem. A lot of conflicts between the individual and society develop mental ailments.

I agree with the last point. There is a lot of irrationality. You only need to look at extreme cases of debt to see priorities are not in order.


Relations in a knowledgeand technology based world will only thrive under mutualist conditions.

Students will need to earn as they learn, and organizations, learn as they earn.

With regard to mental health, the key will be functional digital products that are interactive and mutualist.

Virtual reality is the 'I's reality as perceived in the mind. But the mind is generated by the brain, and the brain is dependent on perception. Hence the organism. Hence 'natural selection'.

Thus digital stimulation of the brain can induce genetic changes.

How does genetic inheritance occur? Why does it occur?

Genetic transfer is an energic process in the womb that is mutual. This implies that there is equilibrium between mother and zygote.

So stimulating the mother will definitely stimulate the zygote.

This resolves many problems regarding socialization.Digital products will help create time. For example, if you have one digital clone then your day could have at least, 48 hours. That is, one can have as much time as she wishes. Socialization is about time - need management, what happens if there is infinite time?

Societies can get sick. For example, forced taxation systems break relations and engender corruption and debt.








Good point.I see students starting to earn as they learn.

What are your views on nature vs nurture when it comes to mental health. I believe in nurture.
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tycho
#100 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:27:13 PM
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Nature and nurture always work together. This is because nature works with perceptions and relations.

They merge to form being.
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