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wanyee
#41 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 6:14:43 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
wanyee wrote:
G4S parcel services have delivery truck stationed in some areas like westlands for parcel delivery... that may work having a van station in a given locality for sub-delivery then last mile can be done via foot-bikes ....mimic the supply chain of street pharmacists in the US or in our local case the weed dealer


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Thought of something similar. This is one tough nut to crack.

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wanyee
#42 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:44:06 PM
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Just imagined guiding the mkokoteni guys with a GPS system to supply groceries in the morning? Or being able to call one with an sms system
ChessMaster
#43 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:20:06 PM
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wanyee wrote:
Just imagined guiding the mkokoteni guys with a GPS system to supply groceries in the morning? Or being able to call one with an sms system


I think wanyee me and you have been beaten by the same bug.We see a massive potential in M-commerce.
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wanyee
#44 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:27:52 PM
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True there are opportunities in M-commerce ...who will take the baby steps and test the market..
ChessMaster
#45 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:41:24 PM
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wanyee wrote:
True there are opportunities in M-commerce ...who will take the baby steps and test the market..


The first step is learning the technology and the second is learning the people.
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KenyanLyrics
#46 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 1:32:24 AM
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@chessmaster that could be a good business. There is a lot of money to be made by simply cloning SA entrants into the Kenyan market, but running your version cheaply.
wanyee
#47 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 1:26:13 PM
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Value proposition to logistics firms like Express kenya, DHL and Transami about conveyance..create an online/Mobile based ordering process from buyers both second-hand and factory, ware housing then delivery to customers via sub-contracting bikers like KK security and G4S.....
ChessMaster
#48 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 1:37:27 PM
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wanyee wrote:
Value proposition to logistics firms like Express kenya, DHL and Transami about conveyance..create an online/Mobile based ordering process from buyers both second-hand and factory, ware housing then delivery to customers via sub-contracting bikers like KK security and G4S.....



I don't think the big boys are concerned about the small fish when it comes to deliveries and distribution.
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ChessMaster
#49 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 1:45:22 PM
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KenyanLyrics wrote:
@chessmaster that could be a good business. There is a lot of money to be made by simply cloning SA entrants into the Kenyan market, but running your version cheaply.


Can you suggest such businesses
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wanyee
#50 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:20:23 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
wanyee wrote:
Value proposition to logistics firms like Express kenya, DHL and Transami about conveyance..create an online/Mobile based ordering process from buyers both second-hand and factory, ware housing then delivery to customers via sub-contracting bikers like KK security and G4S.....



I don't think the big boys are concerned about the small fish when it comes to deliveries and distribution.


When MJ-safaricon started the big boys would "NOT" even imagine the small fish with a mobile phone,...same with Dr. mwangi equity's ATM where the Mbig Mboys would NOT allow you into the banking halls with gum boots..see this is where the cut is made where the small fish who are the majority are courted and made to feel big(remember peculiar Kenyans habit)
ChessMaster
#51 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:41:29 PM
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wanyee wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
wanyee wrote:
Value proposition to logistics firms like Express kenya, DHL and Transami about conveyance..create an online/Mobile based ordering process from buyers both second-hand and factory, ware housing then delivery to customers via sub-contracting bikers like KK security and G4S.....



I don't think the big boys are concerned about the small fish when it comes to deliveries and distribution.


When MJ-safaricon started the big boys would "NOT" even imagine the small fish with a mobile phone,...same with Dr. mwangi equity's ATM where the Mbig Mboys would NOT allow you into the banking halls with gum boots..see this is where the cut is made where the small fish who are the majority are courted and made to feel big(remember peculiar Kenyans habit)


I agree but they still had substantial capital to support them
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wanyee
#52 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:47:15 PM
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Looks like Nigerians already got it going on
http://www.jumia.com.ng/
In the Kenyan case mobile based catalogs and selections may work
ChessMaster
#53 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:02:51 AM
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wanyee wrote:
Looks like Nigerians already got it going on
http://www.jumia.com.ng/
In the Kenyan case mobile based catalogs and selections may work


Mobile based catalogs.How would that work.

I'm thinking,Kenya is flooded with networking guys.Mobile phones and smartphones are coming with wifi.Kenyans spend a considerable amount of time in traffic.Can wifi in public vehicles work or is there no need because phones come with internet?
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wanyee
#54 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:28:23 AM
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ChessMaster wrote:
wanyee wrote:
Looks like Nigerians already got it going on
http://www.jumia.com.ng/
In the Kenyan case mobile based catalogs and selections may work


Mobile based catalogs.How would that work.

I'm thinking,Kenya is flooded with networking guys.Mobile phones and smartphones are coming with wifi.Kenyans spend a considerable amount of time in traffic.Can wifi in public vehicles work or is there no need because phones come with internet?

It the peculiar Kenyan habit of things cheap-sms being one of them ..in some case 1 bob per sms ..whereas bundle are expensive ..so telling the small fish to buy bundles when he can get free sms package per day offers so even with wifi the uptake of internet usage will be less because to the small fish its expensive Eh?
ChessMaster
#55 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 11:34:47 AM
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http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Mocality-blames-failure-on-its-business-model/-/1248928/1699666/-/128a5j2/-/index.html

@wanyee - I think price is not the issue.People will pay for value.
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tony stark
#56 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:08:09 PM
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Wow I was left out in this interesting conversation.
I have to still insist how Kenyan's interact with the internet is very different from developed countries.
The tools to successfully launch a great e commerce business are all there. We have great online payments, our courier firm business is one of the most developed and Posta is also waking up and trying to rise to the challenge everything is there.
Tie all the pieces together is what is lacking and the problem is that the techies think they are the ones to do it. The only people who can make sense and actually launch this is a proper enterprenuer whether the is a techie or not is not relevant.
Let me try and explain how I see how such a model would work.

You have a product whether you are selling through online or mobile catalogs is irrelevant and that is where the techie razmatazz stuff comes into play.

Now the first issue starts.How do you pay for the goods and service? It should be a mix of payment methods and this technologies are all live and working in Kenya from MPESA to VISA.

Second issue how do I get the goods. The infrastructure exist and it is either courier service or Posta. Courier services and G4S being the biggest has a huge footprint in Kenya. In large towns they have several pick up and drop off points that can be used to deliver goods or pick up goods. For example OLX would hold money in trust as the buyer delivers goods to be transported to the seller. Payment is only effected once proof of delivery or buyer acknowledges receipt. The techies can create links with the courier so as to provide a comprehensive list of pick up and drop off places. @Wanyee, forget GPS that is a techies wet dream and we aren't there yet. In future maybe.
G4S and Posta are more than willing to play ball and can even provide a fixed cost for delivery and the fixed cost can be very low provided you have volumes. I am speaking from experience where I actually negotiated a deal with G4S to deliver goods for the company i used to work for. We even shut down the transport department and increased areas we were serving.

But what do we have now is fake groupon services like Mocality, Rupu and Zetu. They have a huge sales force trying to get deals for them to sell online. The numbers are currently not enough and they don't do a great job. I have bought from Zetu(thoroughly disappointed) and Mocality (okay service).

The other e-commerce are auction sites, and online catalogs. None of them handle the money and depend on payment for services or advertising. Now this guys should close shop soon since they all have stupid business models.

To take ecommerce to the next level we need to sort out basics and the technology is not the basics. Basics are handling the cash and the handling of the goods. Focus on those currently online and the early adopters and scale up to the mid adopters and the laggards.

tony stark
#57 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:10:32 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
wanyee wrote:
Value proposition to logistics firms like Express kenya, DHL and Transami about conveyance..create an online/Mobile based ordering process from buyers both second-hand and factory, ware housing then delivery to customers via sub-contracting bikers like KK security and G4S.....



I don't think the big boys are concerned about the small fish when it comes to deliveries and distribution.


You would be very surprised. G4S for example always has a truck going to Kisumu. They would gladly have goods to fill up their trucks at a fair price. Speaking from experience. Posta are also waking up and trying to catch up in the courier business.
ChessMaster
#58 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:12:35 PM
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@tony stark - I agree especially on handling the goods.Thats where I think the major issue arises. Do you have more information on the courier services,I've become interested in that.Also once delivered do they facilitate home deliveries or thats up to the individual.
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tony stark
#59 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:18:49 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
wanyee wrote:
True there are opportunities in M-commerce ...who will take the baby steps and test the market..


The first step is learning the technology and the second is learning the people.


The market(people) is the most important thing.

For example if market is willing to buy 1000 products at price Y and this need is not being met that is an opportunity and the technology does not matter.

There are so many undiscovered markets in Kenya where Kenyans are willing to pay for a service or good because it is convenient, efficient, accurate or just nice.

Don't be a techie be an enterprenuer. Big picture always comes first!
tony stark
#60 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:27:19 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
@tony stark - I agree especially on handling the goods.Thats where I think the major issue arises. Do you have more information on the courier services,I've become interested in that.Also once delivered do they facilitate home deliveries or thats up to the individual.


Why would you want home delivery. Office delivery makes sense.
Here is my logic people are away from home for most parts of the day when deliveries are being done. People will gladly collect from a nearby G4S point or post office for that matter during their lunch break or on their way home.
Office delivery also makes sense since there is always someone in the office and your gods can be signed for on your behalf if you are not there.

In our case they would deliver the products to an office during work hours. Our offices are mainly in the towns so delivery from the store was not bad. Home delivery is tricky due to the lack of labelled streets and apartments.

Stick to pick up and delivery points. It's cheaper and saner. They already do this in Russia where gods bought online are delivered to pick up points that can be any store!
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