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Rahatupu
#91 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:01:06 PM
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Administrative bureaucracies demand that all public officers traveling abroad whether on official duty or private affairs seek travel clearance. The mandate is drawn from the Public Officers Ethics Act together with the Code of Regulations thereto. The Constitution of Kenya 2010 however creates a distinction between Public and State Officers and most importantly gives prominence to the principle of separation of powers. The circular made it difficult for officers since it does not draw the distinction. I would have acted the same way in the circumstances.
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McReggae
#92 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:04:40 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
Administrative bureaucracies demand that all public officers traveling abroad whether on official duty or private affairs seek travel clearance. The mandate is drawn from the Public Officers Ethics Act together with the Code of Regulations thereto. The Constitution of Kenya 2010 however creates a distinction between Public and State Officers and most importantly gives prominence to the principle of separation of powers. The circular made it difficult for officers since it does not draw the distinction. I would have acted the same way in the circumstances.


This matter is dead and burried,it was interference, the fact is that an immmigration has nothing even to do with this ACT, the CJ has travelled out many times before, kubalieni yaishe, there was definitely intereference from some madeemoni, why apologize if the law is on your side????
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Rahatupu
#93 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:05:35 PM
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poundfoolish wrote:
yekeyeke wrote:
NAIROBI, Kenya, Feb 20 – Chief Justice Willy Mutunga has revealed that he recently received threats over the integrity case that involved Jubilee presidential candidate Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto.
The CJ disclosed that the letter warned him of dire consequences from the dreaded Mungiki sect.
Mutunga accused the State of harassment and recalled an instance when an immigration official tried to bar him from travelling out of the country to Dar-es-Salaam, since he did not purportedly have clearance from the Head of the Civil Service Francis Kimemia.
The CJ declared he will not be cowed and explained that he does not need clearance from Kimemia to leave the country.
He has also expressed concern that judges are being threatened politically ahead of the elections.

http://www.capitalfm.co....ats-state-intimidation/

NOTES:- IMMIGRATION OFFICIAL IS NOT KIMEMIA. DOES HE HAVE A LETTER OR RECORDING OF KIMEMIA GIVING INSTRUCTIONS? OR IS HE DEPENDING ON WITNESS OTP 04.
LAST TIME I CHECKED, IMMIGRATION WAS UNDER KAJWANG...AN ODM MINISTER. SO ITS ACTUALLY COARD WHO PREVENTED OR TRIED TO PREVENT HIM FROM LEAVING COUNTRY.

MUNGIKI IS NOT KIMEMIA. HOW DOES MUNGIKI AND KIMEMIA LINK? IF THERE ARE THREATS FROM MUNGIKI, HAS HE REPORTED THESE TO THE REFORMED POLICE? AND THE CID AND THE DPP? AMA NOW THERE IS NO CONFIDENCE IN THE POLICE?

I DON'T LIKE THIS. THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT BRINGS MAPAMBANO. IF THE CJ IS CRYING INTIMIDATION, THEN NO ONE WILL BE READY TO GO TO COURT TO SEEK JUSTICE. IF THE CJ DOES NOT HAVE CONFIDENCE WITH THE POLICE AND THE DPP......S**t WILL HAPPEN. 90K POLICE WILL NOT BE ENOUGH..!!!!



Dont be naive...the suspects too have a plan B... and shit is just about to hit the fan.....



I find it unacceptable for the CJ to refer to the officer by name rather than office. It sounds fishy
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McReggae
#94 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:08:02 PM
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Uhuru and Ruto say they have confidence in CJ Mutunga and the judiciary, urge the govt to investigate the reported threats and prosecute the culprits!!!!

.....unlike their supporters!!!
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Rahatupu
#95 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:10:15 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Are Jubilee people here accepting that Kimemia and the state are working at the behest of Kamwana.....through all the posts in this thread, I have not accused Jubilee as being responsible.......THE GULTY ARE VERY AFRAID!!!



The quoted circular Circular no.OP/CAB.8/19A is not dated today so when he intimates that its specifically designed to intimidate him its wrong.
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McReggae
#96 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:13:04 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Are Jubilee people here accepting that Kimemia and the state are working at the behest of Kamwana.....through all the posts in this thread, I have not accused Jubilee as being responsible.......THE GULTY ARE VERY AFRAID!!!



The quoted circular Circular no.OP/CAB.8/19A is not dated today so when he intimates that its specifically designed to intimidate him its wrong.


..even the circular quoted has nothing to do with CJ's travel, he simply said the officer tried to use it wrongly!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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a4architect.com
#97 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:13:22 PM
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poundfoolish wrote:
[quote=a4architect.com]here is the public officers act. It seems the clause requiring notice for international travel was hived off..

http://www.marsgroupkeny...cer_Ethics_Act_2003.pdf[/quote]

Omba Mcdoba msamaha.. I will know you are a man of noble character and integrity...

and please tusiende into 'what did i do to ask for apologies' argument...

@poundfoolish..hehe..hii site ni ya kusaidiana/kuerevushana na info..ama niaje ?
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richdad
#98 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:21:38 PM
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Did he pinch that immigration guy? Can the guy come out and explain exactly what happened.....
Keep it simple
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keraka
#99 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:21:51 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
McReggae wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
Ita an obvious fact that all state officers must seek clearance from OP for any international travel, CJ included. The immigration officer deserves a medal for teaching CJ a few lessons from Civil servant code of conduct 101.


Quote the constitution or act that says so.....and it's obvious it wasn't the 1st time he was travelling out of the country!!!!


I have previously worked as a civil servant so i know it first hand.

This is why pple fail exams.Quote the specific constitutional/statutory provision or Circular referring to the above.Unless you either blindly live in the Kanu error or want to dig out old laws which suit your cause.
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a4architect.com
#100 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:34:33 PM
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@keraka..Circular no.OP/CAB.8/19A now find out from Immigration what its contents are.

Here it is
http://books.google.co.k...4DQ&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAQ

This law is designed to cordinate Government spending on international travel and ensure there is no vacuum/disruption in running of govt bodies.
In my opinion, they should have included the Judiciary since the other 2 arms i.e Legislature and Executive are included.
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