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"Consciousness is awareness of your will.Anything that is aware of its will is conscious."Since we can never tell what 'being' has will or has not, then it could be that everything in the Universe has consciousness. After all everything has 'will' to change (tell me if I am wrong). So back to the original question: The Universe must be conscious, meaning, it is a 'being?' Right? But what exactly is it being? And does this question even make sense in a reality where time and space are figments of our imagination? After all, being (verb)implies movement - in either time or space - change from one state to another BTW where has young Tycho disappeared to? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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ChessMaster wrote: @Wakanyugi - You seem like you want to talk psychology.We can. Sure we can talk psychology. I am even more un-knowldegable about it than philosophy. Where do you want to begin? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Wakanyugi wrote:"Consciousness is awareness of your will.Anything that is aware of its will is conscious."
Since we can never tell what 'being' has will or has not, then it could be that everything in the Universe has consciousness.
After all everything has 'will' to change (tell me if I am wrong).
So back to the original question:
The Universe must be conscious, meaning, it is a 'being?' Right?
But what exactly is it being?
And does this question even make sense in a reality where time and space are figments of our imagination?
After all, being (verb)implies movement - in either time or space - change from one state to another
BTW where has young Tycho disappeared to?
True maybe the things around us have will but choose not to exercise it. I am biased,I don't believe the universe has will because I believe God is the will of the universe. Time and space maybe figments of our imagination but so are words,languages and symbols. They are not real but represent something we need to maneuver in this existence that we inhabit. But I agree with you,being could be anything and everything,but until we can discern the truth behind it we can only make leaps of faith. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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ChessMaster wrote: I don't believe the universe has will because I believe God is the will of the universe. I think another definition is called for here. This time I'll help: "Universe' - from Uni - one, united. The one which contains everything. By definition, nothing can exist outside of the Universe, otherwise it would not be a 'Uni - verse'. Ergo, God is not only the will of the Universe, she is in the Universe; is the Universe. When you say the Universe has no will, you are saying God has no will. You have just declared God to be dead (in true Nietzschean tradition). Which I am sure was not your intention, or was it? "But I agree with you,being could be anything and everything,but until we can discern the truth behind it we can only make leaps of faith."And so we come full circle. Back to truth. So what is truth? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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 "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Wakanyugi wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:[quote=ChessMaster] I don't believe the universe has will because I believe God is the will of the universe. I think another definition is called for here. This time I'll help: "Universe' - from Uni - one, united. The one which contains everything. By definition, nothing can exist outside of the Universe, otherwise it would not be a 'Uni - verse'. Ergo, God is not only the will of the Universe, she is in the Universe; is the Universe. When you say the Universe has no will, you are saying God has no will. You have just declared God to be dead (in true Nietzschean tradition). Which I am sure was not your intention, or was it? "But I agree with you,being could be anything and everything,but until we can discern the truth behind it we can only make leaps of faith."And so we come full circle. Back to truth. So what is truth? Nietzsche.You see your not ignorant. My belief is that God exists,existed and will exist outside of the universe.Its a creation of his will. Truth is the will of God.Nothing else. But God gave man and angels will. We can choose to act in a way outside the will of God,but that is folly in my opinion.Now the problem is finding out the will of God while our own will is hindering us. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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"My belief is that God exists,existed and will exist outside of the universe.Its a creation of his will."No my brother. You can't have it both ways. Either the Universe contains everything or it is not a Uni-verse. Even if God created the Universe, she can't exist outside of it - unless you subscribe to the concept of the Multiverse.In which case God is simply another Universe that spawned this one. We are back to the turtles analogy writ large (see below). About Nietchse, I was trying to impress you. I used to watch Andromeda, the TV show not the galaxy.
“William James, father of American psychology, tells of meeting an old lady who told him the Earth rested on the back of a huge turtle. "But, my dear lady", Professor James asked, as politely as possible, "what holds up the turtle?" "Ah", she said, "that's easy. He is standing on the back of another turtle." "Oh, I see", said Professor James, still being polite. "But would you be so good as to tell me what holds up the second turtle?" "It's no use, Professor", said the old lady, realizing he was trying to lead her into a logical trap. "It's turtles-turtles-turtles, all the way down!” "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Wakanyugi wrote:"My belief is that God exists,existed and will exist outside of the universe.Its a creation of his will."
No my brother.
You can't have it both ways. Either the Universe contains everything or it is not a Uni-verse.
Even if God created the Universe, she can't exist outside of it - unless you subscribe to the concept of the Multiverse.In which case God is simply another Universe that spawned this one. We are back to the turtles analogy writ large (see below).
About Nietchse, I was trying to impress you. I used to watch Andromeda, the TV show not the galaxy.
“William James, father of American psychology, tells of meeting an old lady who told him the Earth rested on the back of a huge turtle. "But, my dear lady", Professor James asked, as politely as possible, "what holds up the turtle?" "Ah", she said, "that's easy. He is standing on the back of another turtle." "Oh, I see", said Professor James, still being polite. "But would you be so good as to tell me what holds up the second turtle?" "It's no use, Professor", said the old lady, realizing he was trying to lead her into a logical trap. "It's turtles-turtles-turtles, all the way down!”
A multiverse it still part of the universe.God is independent of the universe but the universe is dependent on the God. When it comes to creation it is very simple to me,the first cause was God. God is God because he wasn't caused.But that's my opinion. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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ANIMALS HAVE CONSCIOUSNESS TOO- NEUROSCIENTISTS DECLARE THAT ANIMALS TOO ARE CONSCIOUS BEINGS: We declare the following: “The absence of a neocortex does not appear to preclude an organism from experiencing affective states. Convergent evidence indicates that non-human animals have the neuroanatomical, neurochemical, and neurophysiological substrates of conscious states along with the capacity to exhibit intentional behaviors. Consequently, the weight of evidence indicates that humans are not unique in possessing the neurological substrates that generate consciousness. Non- human animals, including all mammals and birds, and many other creatures, including octopuses, also possess these neurological substrates.”http://io9.com/5937356/p...s-awareness-just-like-us
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josiah33 wrote:ANIMALS HAVE CONSCIOUSNESS TOO-
NEUROSCIENTISTS DECLARE THAT ANIMALS TOO ARE CONSCIOUS BEINGS: Thank you @Josiah for providing all this validation. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Quoth the Bard. I hope @Chessmaster in convinced. Now I have to take a break from this thread. My head hurts. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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