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McReggae
#101 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 6:35:28 PM
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@Lolest hahaha ....outside politics I take my time to enjoy the fine things in life, there is never a reverse gear in life so never overconsume yourself.


Back to mjadala , I find nothing contradictory about what Obama said and Carson's statement. That moment when the suspects started using Obama's msg to campaign, a rejoinder had to come.
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Amores
#102 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 6:44:48 PM
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alma wrote:
kingfisher wrote:
alma wrote:
This thread should be made mandatory reading in all psychology colleges in the world.

I believe we now need to bring in Dr. Njenga to help some people out.


And he should surely start with you.


hehe kweli mzee. this erection period has brought the worst in me. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Much know there is one thing you are extremely right about. White people in suits don't care about Kenyans. They never have, they never will.

But its politics.

It wouldn't have made a difference who was in the opposition. Repub or Democrat.

Politics is about political mileage. Whoever is in charge will have a problem answering the question in congress. "So, Mr. President, why does your administration support people who are accused of mass murder."

Trust me, that is the time you will know that siasa ni siasa. In Kenya or anywhere else. We shall be thrown under the bus. If we even have one ngoa reli demo, you can rest assured, sanctions will come.

Those are the realities of politics. And Kenya just became a political tool for the 2014 campaigns which have already started. Control of congress is what they are fighting for. And you the damn african will be thrown under the bus.

The west is not a friend to Kenya. The east is worse. So think very hard about what you are doing supporting two people just to dump RAO. Please campaign for someone else.



Alma,i am yet to meet someone who has changed their mind because Carson,Obama or that diplomat from brito spoke. Rest brother,kila mtu na kura yake. This is not exactly an election where people ( i mean majority ) are likely to be very rational,less tribal or issue based.

Pumzika bro,go enjoy a drink

DNA ni TNA

I am happy
Elder
#103 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 7:00:39 PM
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Oops. France to have only 'essential contact' with Jubilee leaders
Quote:
"Our position is that we only have essential contact with somebody who is indicted by the ICC; it is a well-known position, same as that of the British,” the envoy said in Kisumu during the launch of the 2013 edition of the annual French Film Festival at the newly-opened Alliance Francais offices in Milimani estate.
He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
alma
#104 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 7:01:15 PM
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Amores. You still have not understood the statement.

No one cares who you vote for. It's your choice. Funny but that is what democracy means. No one but your mind has told you to vote for Raila and leave Uhuru alone. Your casin told you to make your choice.

The constitution protects you to make your choice. No one has stopped you from doing the same. If they do, I will making the noise to support you. So if you support the accused, heck I will support you with my blood.
"
"CHAPTER ONE––SOVEREIGNTY OF THE PEOPLE AND
SUPREMACY OF THIS CONSTITUTION

1. (1) All sovereign power belongs to the people of Kenya and shall be exercised only in accordance with this Constitution.

(2)
The people may exercise their sovereign power either directlyor through their democratically elected representatives."

The preamble in our constitution ensures that I have to protect your wrongful thinking

"EXERCISING our sovereign and inalienable right to determine the form of governance of our country and having participated fully in the making of this Constitution:"

CONSEQUENCES

The UK is one of the strongest supporters of the International Criminal Court (ICC).
RINK: http://ukun.fco.gov.uk/e...national-criminal-court

As for the USA

"Some, such as The Heritage Foundation, believe that:

The true measure of America's commitment to peace and justice and its opposition to genocide and war crimes lies not in its participation in international bureaucracies like the ICC, but in its actions. The United States has led the fight to free millions in Afghanistan and Iraq. It is a party to many human rights treaties and, unlike many other nations, abides by those treaty commitments. The U.S. has led the charge to hold violators of human rights to account, including fighting hard for imposing Security Council sanctions on the Sudanese government until it stops supporting the militia groups that are committing genocide in Darfur and helps to restore order to the region. The U.S. polices its military and punishes them when they commit crimes. In every practical way, the U.S. honors the beliefs and purposes underlying the ICC


In a 2005 poll of 1,182 Americans by the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations and the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, 69% favored US participation in the Court.

Senator Barack Obama, the current President of the United States of America, was asked the following question on a candidate questionnaire during the 2004 Senate race:

"Should the United States ratify the ‘Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court’? If not, what concerns do you have that need to be resolved before you would support joining the court? Prior to ratification, what should the United States relationship with the Court be, particularly in regards to sharing intelligence, prosecuting war criminals, and referring cases to the UN Security Council?"

Senator Obama answered:

Yes[.] The United States should cooperate with ICC investigations in a way that reflects American sovereignty and promotes our national security interests.

Senator John McCain, the Republican presidential candidate in the 2008 elections, said on January 28, 2005:

I want us in the ICC, but I’m not satisfied that there are enough safeguards."

If you didn't know the Heritage Foundation makes US foreign policy.

The ICC is real. So make your choice in your DNA.

The mirror reflects what you are and what you are going to get.

Please before you cut a vein and listen to Mutahi Ngunyi nonsense, google The Heritage Foundation. You will find that all the secretaries of state since Reagan are members. Therein lies the true fealing of American policy against Uhuru and especially Ruto.

But its your choice. I have protected my family against what I guess is coming. Have you? Or are you the sovereignty fool?
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
jaggernaut
#105 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 7:13:42 PM
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So who should we believe. The barking dog (Carson) or it's master (Obama)?
alma
#106 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 7:17:42 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
So who should we believe. The barking dog (Carson) or it's master (Obama)?


They said the same thing. You never listened.

Obama said: We don't support anyone. Make your choice.
Carson said: Make your choice, but it has a consequence.

Good literature students can merge the two in one sentence and make policy.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
Much Know
#107 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 7:34:38 PM
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alma wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
So who should we believe. The barking dog (Carson) or it's master (Obama)?


They said the same thing. You never listened.

Obama said: We don't support anyone. Make your choice.
Carson said: Make your choice, but it has a consequence.

Good literature students can merge the two in one sentence and make policy.

Ahh, ok,they will give a literature lesson to Jubilee in response to an official query, and Kenyans, Ohh i forget, we can't think for ourselves, we need them to help us with thinking literature and aid, ok,.
Meru Holiness
alma
#108 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 7:45:09 PM
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No as usual you are wrong. Literature is not a west thing.

Angimituiria na umirite ndangimiona rikii

Ciatura nguyu iriaga ng’umo

Cira munene ni ukia

Gieterero ti kiinaino

Gitoi kimenyaga kierwo

Guthinga kikuo kihoto


I know you know what they mean. Choose wisely. This muthamaki is not the real mesiah.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
Intelligentsia
#109 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 7:49:37 PM
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So its now Switzerland, U.S. UK and France that have warned of consequences - is this meant to be a not-so-subtle influence of the direction the pendulum of eRection will swing
alma
#110 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 8:01:59 PM
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Intelligentsia wrote:
So its now Switzerland, U.S. UK and France that have warned of consequences - is this meant to be a not-so-subtle influence of the direction the pendulum of eRection will swing


Intelligencia my man.

Hitler was told not to go to Poland. He was then told not to go to Russia.

Life is not such a suble-influence-of-shit.

The pendulum swang when babies were burnt in a church. And I'm swinging it!

They know who I am, they know where I am, they know how to get me.

But the truth never dies.

Get the mf's out of this place to answer their queries.


For someone who's always posting Alkaida, I'm very disappointed.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
murenj
#111 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 8:19:45 PM
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now you egoistic maniacs who breath TNA shit TNA eat TNA sleep TNA dream TNA talk TNA walk TNA....remeber every euphoria has its life span...by the end of it......broken promises, broken hearts.......regrets.....remeber the days of juu juu juu zaidi? it turned out to be Moi must Go...then ....mama rainbow...?......maji yakaibwa....Tinga na Tinga Tinga? sasa siaya imekataa....hata huyu mutu wa legacy amekua bure kabisa kama mavi ya kuku kwa wengine wetu
Jaina
#112 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 8:45:14 PM
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murenj wrote:
now you egoistic maniacs who breath TNA shit TNA eat TNA sleep TNA dream TNA talk TNA walk TNA....remeber every euphoria has its life span...by the end of it......broken promises, broken hearts.......regrets.....remeber the days of juu juu juu zaidi? it turned out to be Moi must Go...then ....mama rainbow...?......maji yakaibwa....Tinga na Tinga Tinga? sasa siaya imekataa....hata huyu mutu wa legacy amekua bure kabisa kama mavi ya kuku kwa wengine wetu


Its obvious the tide is turning. However, lets not forget that the same western countries left Rwanda to lot in 1994 genocide.

Whoever gets Elected we'll face the damn consequences, so lets be prepared.

F**k democracy.'........ its full of Sh*t

I want PK to win but he cant, n now its either the suspects or the Unbwogables
harrydre
#113 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 8:56:41 PM
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Elder wrote:
harrydre wrote:
quicksand wrote:
Liv wrote:
quicksand wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
Just asking- will they close their missions here? That's a stupid question, but i couldn't help wondering when someone said they are not supposed to get into contact with a nation led by ICC indictees unless necessary.

Dont think so. The embassy will still serve American tourists and businessmen, as well as provide cover for their intelligence people. When they say they will not get into contact, I think that means it will be junior and midlevel American functionaries dealing with junior and midlevel Kenyan functionaries. Humdrum stuff. Strategic discussions will be off the table. ..military aid, which is quite substantial is off. Saw how KDF pulled serious high marks for strategy and execution in Somalia? That was made possible by attachment to American special forces units, leadership, intelligence and strategy training. High level diplomats wont set foot here and their Ambassador will avoid the Executive like the plague. NSA and other US intelligence agencies might scale back the level of cooperation. ..read sharing info with our NSIS, making us more vulnerable. They held this one over Blair by the way, and Britain had to back US into Iraq. ...for disclosure, that is an analysis I read somewhere so its conjecture on my part, but it seems logical.
So, small losses that will gain momentum with time.



Kibaki kept them off until they complained through the press that they cannot get to the President. President said he was too busy with the development of the country....and had no time for other activities.


Yes indeed, Kibaki did that. But he was not shut off. There is a big difference. Kibaki could stand his ground and say to the West. ..I don't like your terms. He also went one further and avoided the back and forth, dealing with minutae, a terrible affliction of diplomats. Uhuru wont have this luxury. Instead, some mafia like businessmen and states will come here and say. ..'hello, we'll take your new oil and gas for cents per barrel, what choice do you have?'


We will sell it right here in Africa.


Yeah, a country like Zimbabwe would pay billions (in Zim dollars I suspect but billions still) for our oil - am confident our jua kali industry are up to the task of fabricating the necessary machinery to work that oil out of the ground.


chinese wako....they never listen to the sanctions B/S and we know who is soon going to be super power
i.am.back!!!!
harrydre
#114 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 9:00:32 PM
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Jus Blazin wrote:
Kenya is a Sovereign state. The biggest democracy in the world asking Kenyans not to be so democratic, I shudder at the hypocrisy. Veiled threats? Why? If the common mwananchi decides s/he'll exercise their democratic right and vote for a person of their choice, why try to push him to vote for another person by mentioning that there will be consequences? When Jomo was released from and nominated as the Prime Minister, did we get sanctions? When Kapondi was elected while in prison, did we get sanctions?

At the moment, what we have are just suspects, what if the case is thrown out due to lack of evidence and the two are declared not guilty, what will we then say? We need to elect people out of a clear conscience and not out of fear. Trust me, they'll still do business with Kenya come what may, especially if the elections are peaceful and the loser concedes defeat. Everyone has their own reasons why they'd want a presidential candidate to win the elections. Even the West want a particular person to win, and not because they care about you and I, but because they have their own selfish interests.

Kura yako haki yako.


hapo umeongea kama elders kumi.

i.am.back!!!!
Lolest!
#115 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 9:09:15 PM
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alma wrote:
No as usual you are wrong. Literature is not a west thing.

Angimituiria na umirite ndangimiona rikii

Ciatura nguyu iriaga ng’umo

Cira munene ni ukia

Gieterero ti kiinaino

Gitoi kimenyaga kierwo

Guthinga kikuo kihoto


I know you know what they mean. Choose wisely. This muthamaki is not the real mesiah.

Murega akiirwo ndaregaga akihetwo.
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
xyzee
#116 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 9:10:40 PM
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Amores wrote:
alma wrote:
kingfisher wrote:
alma wrote:
This thread should be made mandatory reading in all psychology colleges in the world.

I believe we now need to bring in Dr. Njenga to help some people out.


And he should surely start with you.


hehe kweli mzee. this erection period has brought the worst in me. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Much know there is one thing you are extremely right about. White people in suits don't care about Kenyans. They never have, they never will.

But its politics.

It wouldn't have made a difference who was in the opposition. Repub or Democrat.

Politics is about political mileage. Whoever is in charge will have a problem answering the question in congress. "So, Mr. President, why does your administration support people who are accused of mass murder."

Trust me, that is the time you will know that siasa ni siasa. In Kenya or anywhere else. We shall be thrown under the bus. If we even have one ngoa reli demo, you can rest assured, sanctions will come.

Those are the realities of politics. And Kenya just became a political tool for the 2014 campaigns which have already started. Control of congress is what they are fighting for. And you the damn african will be thrown under the bus.

The west is not a friend to Kenya. The east is worse. So think very hard about what you are doing supporting two people just to dump RAO. Please campaign for someone else.



Alma,i am yet to meet someone who has changed their mind because Carson,Obama or that diplomat from brito spoke. Rest brother,kila mtu na kura yake. This is not exactly an election where people ( i mean majority ) are likely to be very rational,less tribal or issue based.

Pumzika bro,go enjoy a drink

DNA ni TNA



Ditto, the more the threats of dire consequences the more Jubilants feel the need to stick to their men.

Reminds me of my cousin whom we tried talking out of a 'hopeless' relationship. She'd just cleared form 4 but she could hear non of that, she moved in with the guy. 8 years and 4 kids later and having wasted her life the guy treats her like trash.
Amores
#117 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 9:28:20 PM
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xyzee wrote:
Amores wrote:
alma wrote:
kingfisher wrote:
alma wrote:
This thread should be made mandatory reading in all psychology colleges in the world.

I believe we now need to bring in Dr. Njenga to help some people out.


And he should surely start with you.


hehe kweli mzee. this erection period has brought the worst in me. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Much know there is one thing you are extremely right about. White people in suits don't care about Kenyans. They never have, they never will.

But its politics.

It wouldn't have made a difference who was in the opposition. Repub or Democrat.

Politics is about political mileage. Whoever is in charge will have a problem answering the question in congress. "So, Mr. President, why does your administration support people who are accused of mass murder."

Trust me, that is the time you will know that siasa ni siasa. In Kenya or anywhere else. We shall be thrown under the bus. If we even have one ngoa reli demo, you can rest assured, sanctions will come.

Those are the realities of politics. And Kenya just became a political tool for the 2014 campaigns which have already started. Control of congress is what they are fighting for. And you the damn african will be thrown under the bus.

The west is not a friend to Kenya. The east is worse. So think very hard about what you are doing supporting two people just to dump RAO. Please campaign for someone else.



Alma,i am yet to meet someone who has changed their mind because Carson,Obama or that diplomat from brito spoke. Rest brother,kila mtu na kura yake. This is not exactly an election where people ( i mean majority ) are likely to be very rational,less tribal or issue based.

Pumzika bro,go enjoy a drink

DNA ni TNA



Ditto, the more the threats of dire consequences the more Jubilants feel the need to stick to their men.

Reminds me of my cousin whom we tried talking out of a 'hopeless' relationship. She'd just cleared form 4 but she could hear non of that, she moved in with the guy. 8 years and 4 kids later and having wasted her life the guy treats her like trash.



Yes,even US after supporting Libya to "Install democracy",they bombed US embassy in Bengazi and killed Americans. It was a consequence of their choices - to interfere in another nationals affairs - i am not saying that M. Qaddafi was perfect.

France is saying that they will -like UK-limit contact to 'essential' kwani there is a time nations / officials meet bila reason?.

ABK bure kabisa.


DNA ni TNA .
I am happy
xyzee
#118 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 10:03:55 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 1/9/2009
Posts: 1,262
Amores wrote:
xyzee wrote:
Amores wrote:
alma wrote:
kingfisher wrote:
alma wrote:
This thread should be made mandatory reading in all psychology colleges in the world.

I believe we now need to bring in Dr. Njenga to help some people out.


And he should surely start with you.


hehe kweli mzee. this erection period has brought the worst in me. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Much know there is one thing you are extremely right about. White people in suits don't care about Kenyans. They never have, they never will.

But its politics.

It wouldn't have made a difference who was in the opposition. Repub or Democrat.

Politics is about political mileage. Whoever is in charge will have a problem answering the question in congress. "So, Mr. President, why does your administration support people who are accused of mass murder."

Trust me, that is the time you will know that siasa ni siasa. In Kenya or anywhere else. We shall be thrown under the bus. If we even have one ngoa reli demo, you can rest assured, sanctions will come.

Those are the realities of politics. And Kenya just became a political tool for the 2014 campaigns which have already started. Control of congress is what they are fighting for. And you the damn african will be thrown under the bus.

The west is not a friend to Kenya. The east is worse. So think very hard about what you are doing supporting two people just to dump RAO. Please campaign for someone else.



Alma,i am yet to meet someone who has changed their mind because Carson,Obama or that diplomat from brito spoke. Rest brother,kila mtu na kura yake. This is not exactly an election where people ( i mean majority ) are likely to be very rational,less tribal or issue based.

Pumzika bro,go enjoy a drink

DNA ni TNA



Ditto, the more the threats of dire consequences the more Jubilants feel the need to stick to their men.

Reminds me of my cousin whom we tried talking out of a 'hopeless' relationship. She'd just cleared form 4 but she could hear non of that, she moved in with the guy. 8 years and 4 kids later and having wasted her life the guy treats her like trash.



Yes,even US after supporting Libya to "Install democracy",they bombed US embassy in Bengazi and killed Americans. It was a consequence of their choices - to interfere in another nationals affairs - i am not saying that M. Qaddafi was perfect.

France is saying that they will -like UK-limit contact to 'essential' kwani there is a time nations / officials meet bila reason?.

ABK bure kabisa.


DNA ni TNA .


Kusaidiwa ni ngumu
Amores
#119 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 10:10:38 PM
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Joined: 11/25/2011
Posts: 2,103
Location: Nrb
xyzee wrote:
Amores wrote:
xyzee wrote:
Amores wrote:
alma wrote:
kingfisher wrote:
alma wrote:
This thread should be made mandatory reading in all psychology colleges in the world.

I believe we now need to bring in Dr. Njenga to help some people out.


And he should surely start with you.


hehe kweli mzee. this erection period has brought the worst in me. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Much know there is one thing you are extremely right about. White people in suits don't care about Kenyans. They never have, they never will.

But its politics.

It wouldn't have made a difference who was in the opposition. Repub or Democrat.

Politics is about political mileage. Whoever is in charge will have a problem answering the question in congress. "So, Mr. President, why does your administration support people who are accused of mass murder."

Trust me, that is the time you will know that siasa ni siasa. In Kenya or anywhere else. We shall be thrown under the bus. If we even have one ngoa reli demo, you can rest assured, sanctions will come.

Those are the realities of politics. And Kenya just became a political tool for the 2014 campaigns which have already started. Control of congress is what they are fighting for. And you the damn african will be thrown under the bus.

The west is not a friend to Kenya. The east is worse. So think very hard about what you are doing supporting two people just to dump RAO. Please campaign for someone else.



Alma,i am yet to meet someone who has changed their mind because Carson,Obama or that diplomat from brito spoke. Rest brother,kila mtu na kura yake. This is not exactly an election where people ( i mean majority ) are likely to be very rational,less tribal or issue based.

Pumzika bro,go enjoy a drink

DNA ni TNA



Ditto, the more the threats of dire consequences the more Jubilants feel the need to stick to their men.

Reminds me of my cousin whom we tried talking out of a 'hopeless' relationship. She'd just cleared form 4 but she could hear non of that, she moved in with the guy. 8 years and 4 kids later and having wasted her life the guy treats her like trash.



Yes,even US after supporting Libya to "Install democracy",they bombed US embassy in Bengazi and killed Americans. It was a consequence of their choices - to interfere in another nationals affairs - i am not saying that M. Qaddafi was perfect.

France is saying that they will -like UK-limit contact to 'essential' kwani there is a time nations / officials meet bila reason?.

ABK bure kabisa.


DNA ni TNA .


Ok, maybe Iam missing something. I'd be curious to understand your thought process of a Jubilant.



Give up,you will not understand,the same way i am not interested to understand yours as ODM fellow. What is important is that we keep it clean and civil,bila matusi.

I am not worried at all about a UK presidency,not even a shred of fear. Sasa pewa moja hapo,ni siku ya kufurahia
I am happy
josiah33
#120 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 10:16:48 PM
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Joined: 1/27/2011
Posts: 1,777
xyzee wrote:
Amores wrote:
xyzee wrote:
Amores wrote:
alma wrote:
kingfisher wrote:
alma wrote:
This thread should be made mandatory reading in all psychology colleges in the world.

I believe we now need to bring in Dr. Njenga to help some people out.


And he should surely start with you.


hehe kweli mzee. this erection period has brought the worst in me. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Much know there is one thing you are extremely right about. White people in suits don't care about Kenyans. They never have, they never will.

But its politics.

It wouldn't have made a difference who was in the opposition. Repub or Democrat.

Politics is about political mileage. Whoever is in charge will have a problem answering the question in congress. "So, Mr. President, why does your administration support people who are accused of mass murder."

Trust me, that is the time you will know that siasa ni siasa. In Kenya or anywhere else. We shall be thrown under the bus. If we even have one ngoa reli demo, you can rest assured, sanctions will come.

Those are the realities of politics. And Kenya just became a political tool for the 2014 campaigns which have already started. Control of congress is what they are fighting for. And you the damn african will be thrown under the bus.

The west is not a friend to Kenya. The east is worse. So think very hard about what you are doing supporting two people just to dump RAO. Please campaign for someone else.



Alma,i am yet to meet someone who has changed their mind because Carson,Obama or that diplomat from brito spoke. Rest brother,kila mtu na kura yake. This is not exactly an election where people ( i mean majority ) are likely to be very rational,less tribal or issue based.

Pumzika bro,go enjoy a drink

DNA ni TNA



Ditto, the more the threats of dire consequences the more Jubilants feel the need to stick to their men.

Reminds me of my cousin whom we tried talking out of a 'hopeless' relationship. She'd just cleared form 4 but she could hear non of that, she moved in with the guy. 8 years and 4 kids later and having wasted her life the guy treats her like trash.



Yes,even US after supporting Libya to "Install democracy",they bombed US embassy in Bengazi and killed Americans. It was a consequence of their choices - to interfere in another nationals affairs - i am not saying that M. Qaddafi was perfect.

France is saying that they will -like UK-limit contact to 'essential' kwani there is a time nations / officials meet bila reason?.

ABK bure kabisa.


DNA ni TNA .


Ok, maybe Iam missing something. I'd be curious to understand your thought process of a Jubilant.

A jubilant knows that the US never intervened in a country that it never left bleeding to death- that's why they would dare the West. In any case, you wouldn't tell the difference between what happened to Kenya after we vote for the suspects and what happened after we vote against them, that is, if the threat of sanctions is real. Kenya would still go to the dogs either way.

Just my thoughts.
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