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Choices have consequences - Johnnie Carson
Rank: Member Joined: 11/18/2010 Posts: 503 Location: Kenya
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The United States top diplomat for Africa has said the duty of electing Kenyan leaders rests with its people but added the rider that "choices have consequences". http://elections.nation..../-/p86h8fz/-/index.html
mhhhhhhh... The last words.Also watched on Citizen TV The British High Commissioner echoing the same sentiments. http://www.citizennews.c...-commissioner-interview
The choice is yours.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,906
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Just heard it... cited Obama's message that Kenyans have right to make their Choice in the upcoming elections but reminded us we are living in a connected world and choices have consequences.
As the Asst US Sect of State for African Affairs, his words have some weight. And with the govt being broke, shilling under pressure, and campaigns at full throttle... we have made our bed so let's lie on it …
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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Hewa moto. wafanye vile wanataka DNA NI TNA I am happy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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I will not be intimidated.I believe in TNA.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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Just asking- will they close their missions here? That's a stupid question, but i couldn't help wondering when someone said they are not supposed to get into contact with a nation led by ICC indictees unless necessary.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,504 Location: Uganda
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josiah33 wrote:Just asking- will they close their missions here? That's a stupid question, but i couldn't help wondering when someone said they are not supposed to get into contact with a nation led by ICC indictees unless necessary. punda amecheka
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/22/2010 Posts: 510 Location: De egg
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Tumieni akili . Kenya should not be allowed to sink coz of two bad boys . Peace be with you
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,504 Location: Uganda
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josiah33 wrote:Just asking- will they close their missions here? That's a stupid question, but i couldn't help wondering when someone said they are not supposed to get into contact with a nation led by ICC indictees unless necessary. anything is possible now. wait till we start tarmacking.then tutaomba serikali ingie Kati. punda amecheka
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/16/2007 Posts: 2,114
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josiah33 wrote:Just asking- will they close their missions here? That's a stupid question, but i couldn't help wondering when someone said they are not supposed to get into contact with a nation led by ICC indictees unless necessary. Maybe what UMK should do is to state that shud he win,he will expel all the EU diplomats....?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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josiah33 wrote:Just asking- will they close their missions here? That's a stupid question, but i couldn't help wondering when someone said they are not supposed to get into contact with a nation led by ICC indictees unless necessary. Dont think so. The embassy will still serve American tourists and businessmen, as well as provide cover for their intelligence people. When they say they will not get into contact, I think that means it will be junior and midlevel American functionaries dealing with junior and midlevel Kenyan functionaries. Humdrum stuff. Strategic discussions will be off the table. ..military aid, which is quite substantial is off. Saw how KDF pulled serious high marks for strategy and execution in Somalia? That was made possible by attachment to American special forces units, leadership, intelligence and strategy training. High level diplomats wont set foot here and their Ambassador will avoid the Executive like the plague. NSA and other US intelligence agencies might scale back the level of cooperation. ..read sharing info with our NSIS, making us more vulnerable. They held this one over Blair by the way, and Britain had to back US into Iraq. ...for disclosure, that is an analysis I read somewhere so its conjecture on my part, but it seems logical. So, small losses that will gain momentum with time.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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Chaka wrote:josiah33 wrote:Just asking- will they close their missions here? That's a stupid question, but i couldn't help wondering when someone said they are not supposed to get into contact with a nation led by ICC indictees unless necessary. Maybe what UMK should do is to state that shud he win,he will expel all the EU diplomats....? Even Gaddafi did not expel diplomats. Jesus Christ, we are lost! 
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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quicksand wrote:josiah33 wrote:Just asking- will they close their missions here? That's a stupid question, but i couldn't help wondering when someone said they are not supposed to get into contact with a nation led by ICC indictees unless necessary. Dont think so. The embassy will still serve American tourists and businessmen, as well as provide cover for their intelligence people. When they say they will not get into contact, I think that means it will be junior and midlevel American functionaries dealing with junior and midlevel Kenyan functionaries. Humdrum stuff. Strategic discussions will be off the table. ..military aid, which is quite substantial is off. Saw how KDF pulled serious high marks for strategy and execution in Somalia? That was made possible by attachment to American special forces units, leadership, intelligence and strategy training. High level diplomats wont set foot here and their Ambassador will avoid the Executive like the plague. NSA and other US intelligence agencies might scale back the level of cooperation. ..read sharing info with our NSIS, making us more vulnerable. They held this one over Blair by the way, and Britain had to back US into Iraq. ...for disclosure, that is an analysis I read somewhere so its conjecture on my part, but it seems logical. So, small losses that will gain momentum with time. Kibaki kept them off until they complained through the press that they cannot get to the President. President said he was too busy with the development of the country....and had no time for other activities.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,559
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When i heard this on radio, i initially thought he was warning Kenyans not to vote cord due to the explicit incitement on the issue of land. When i logged onto wazua, most posts indicated that they thought it was directed at UK, what an irony. Meru Holiness
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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Liv wrote:quicksand wrote:josiah33 wrote:Just asking- will they close their missions here? That's a stupid question, but i couldn't help wondering when someone said they are not supposed to get into contact with a nation led by ICC indictees unless necessary. Dont think so. The embassy will still serve American tourists and businessmen, as well as provide cover for their intelligence people. When they say they will not get into contact, I think that means it will be junior and midlevel American functionaries dealing with junior and midlevel Kenyan functionaries. Humdrum stuff. Strategic discussions will be off the table. ..military aid, which is quite substantial is off. Saw how KDF pulled serious high marks for strategy and execution in Somalia? That was made possible by attachment to American special forces units, leadership, intelligence and strategy training. High level diplomats wont set foot here and their Ambassador will avoid the Executive like the plague. NSA and other US intelligence agencies might scale back the level of cooperation. ..read sharing info with our NSIS, making us more vulnerable. They held this one over Blair by the way, and Britain had to back US into Iraq. ...for disclosure, that is an analysis I read somewhere so its conjecture on my part, but it seems logical. So, small losses that will gain momentum with time. Kibaki kept them off until they complained through the press that they cannot get to the President. President said he was too busy with the development of the country....and had no time for other activities. Yes indeed, Kibaki did that. But he was not shut off. There is a big difference. Kibaki could stand his ground and say to the West. ..I don't like your terms. He also went one further and avoided the back and forth, dealing with minutae, a terrible affliction of diplomats. Uhuru wont have this luxury. Instead, some mafia like businessmen and states will come here and say. ..'hello, we'll take your new oil and gas for cents per barrel, what choice do you have?'
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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quicksand wrote:
Yes indeed, Kibaki did that. But he was not shut off. There is a big difference. Kibaki could stand his ground and say to the West. ..I don't like your terms. He also went one further and avoided the back and forth, dealing with minutae, a terrible affliction of diplomats. Uhuru wont have this luxury. Instead, some mafia like businessmen and states will come here and say. ..'hello, we'll take your new oil and gas for cents per barrel, what choice do you have?'
How did you bring private corporations into this? Are you assuming that the Western based private corporations will leave Kenya? Oil is explored and produced by public listed companies from all over the world. They compete to buy and own blocks for exploration and production to maximise their owners wealth. Please don't be .....(I will spare you now).
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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quicksand wrote:Liv wrote:quicksand wrote:josiah33 wrote:Just asking- will they close their missions here? That's a stupid question, but i couldn't help wondering when someone said they are not supposed to get into contact with a nation led by ICC indictees unless necessary. Dont think so. The embassy will still serve American tourists and businessmen, as well as provide cover for their intelligence people. When they say they will not get into contact, I think that means it will be junior and midlevel American functionaries dealing with junior and midlevel Kenyan functionaries. Humdrum stuff. Strategic discussions will be off the table. ..military aid, which is quite substantial is off. Saw how KDF pulled serious high marks for strategy and execution in Somalia? That was made possible by attachment to American special forces units, leadership, intelligence and strategy training. High level diplomats wont set foot here and their Ambassador will avoid the Executive like the plague. NSA and other US intelligence agencies might scale back the level of cooperation. ..read sharing info with our NSIS, making us more vulnerable. They held this one over Blair by the way, and Britain had to back US into Iraq. ...for disclosure, that is an analysis I read somewhere so its conjecture on my part, but it seems logical. So, small losses that will gain momentum with time. Kibaki kept them off until they complained through the press that they cannot get to the President. President said he was too busy with the development of the country....and had no time for other activities. Yes indeed, Kibaki did that. But he was not shut off. There is a big difference. Kibaki could stand his ground and say to the West. ..I don't like your terms. He also went one further and avoided the back and forth, dealing with minutae, a terrible affliction of diplomats. Uhuru wont have this luxury. Instead, some mafia like businessmen and states will come here and say. ..' hello, we'll take your new oil and gas for cents per barrel, what choice do you have?' We will sell it right here in Africa. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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We are the people with the voters cards. Sasa hawa foreigners wanakuja kutuambia nini ? I am happy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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this to a large extent just makes jubilee gain more. Rinki.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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Much Know wrote:When i heard this on radio, i initially thought he was warning Kenyans not to vote cord due to the explicit incitement on the issue of land. When i logged onto wazua, most posts indicated that they thought it was directed at UK, what an irony. These are the hazards of letting emotions get the better of us. We see what we want to see! Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Perhaps you also need to listen the the UK High Commissioner...the tide is turning... Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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