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quicksand
#11 Posted : Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:16:50 PM
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Chaka wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
Just asking- will they close their missions here? That's a stupid question, but i couldn't help wondering when someone said they are not supposed to get into contact with a nation led by ICC indictees unless necessary.
Maybe what UMK should do is to state that shud he win,he will expel all the EU diplomats....?
Even Gaddafi did not expel diplomats. Jesus Christ, we are lost! Pray Pray
Liv
#12 Posted : Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:31:57 PM
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quicksand wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
Just asking- will they close their missions here? That's a stupid question, but i couldn't help wondering when someone said they are not supposed to get into contact with a nation led by ICC indictees unless necessary.
Dont think so. The embassy will still serve American tourists and businessmen, as well as provide cover for their intelligence people. When they say they will not get into contact, I think that means it will be junior and midlevel American functionaries dealing with junior and midlevel Kenyan functionaries. Humdrum stuff. Strategic discussions will be off the table. ..military aid, which is quite substantial is off. Saw how KDF pulled serious high marks for strategy and execution in Somalia? That was made possible by attachment to American special forces units, leadership, intelligence and strategy training. High level diplomats wont set foot here and their Ambassador will avoid the Executive like the plague. NSA and other US intelligence agencies might scale back the level of cooperation. ..read sharing info with our NSIS, making us more vulnerable. They held this one over Blair by the way, and Britain had to back US into Iraq. ...for disclosure, that is an analysis I read somewhere so its conjecture on my part, but it seems logical. So, small losses that will gain momentum with time.
Kibaki kept them off until they complained through the press that they cannot get to the President. President said he was too busy with the development of the country....and had no time for other activities.
Much Know
#13 Posted : Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:38:22 PM
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When i heard this on radio, i initially thought he was warning Kenyans not to vote cord due to the explicit incitement on the issue of land. When i logged onto wazua, most posts indicated that they thought it was directed at UK, what an irony.
Ras Kienyeji Man
quicksand
#14 Posted : Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:55:16 PM
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Liv wrote:
quicksand wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
Just asking- will they close their missions here? That's a stupid question, but i couldn't help wondering when someone said they are not supposed to get into contact with a nation led by ICC indictees unless necessary.
Dont think so. The embassy will still serve American tourists and businessmen, as well as provide cover for their intelligence people. When they say they will not get into contact, I think that means it will be junior and midlevel American functionaries dealing with junior and midlevel Kenyan functionaries. Humdrum stuff. Strategic discussions will be off the table. ..military aid, which is quite substantial is off. Saw how KDF pulled serious high marks for strategy and execution in Somalia? That was made possible by attachment to American special forces units, leadership, intelligence and strategy training. High level diplomats wont set foot here and their Ambassador will avoid the Executive like the plague. NSA and other US intelligence agencies might scale back the level of cooperation. ..read sharing info with our NSIS, making us more vulnerable. They held this one over Blair by the way, and Britain had to back US into Iraq. ...for disclosure, that is an analysis I read somewhere so its conjecture on my part, but it seems logical. So, small losses that will gain momentum with time.
Kibaki kept them off until they complained through the press that they cannot get to the President. President said he was too busy with the development of the country....and had no time for other activities.
Yes indeed, Kibaki did that. But he was not shut off. There is a big difference. Kibaki could stand his ground and say to the West. ..I don't like your terms. He also went one further and avoided the back and forth, dealing with minutae, a terrible affliction of diplomats. Uhuru wont have this luxury. Instead, some mafia like businessmen and states will come here and say. ..'hello, we'll take your new oil and gas for cents per barrel, what choice do you have?'
Liv
#15 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 12:12:01 AM
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quicksand wrote:
Yes indeed, Kibaki did that. But he was not shut off. There is a big difference. Kibaki could stand his ground and say to the West. ..I don't like your terms. He also went one further and avoided the back and forth, dealing with minutae, a terrible affliction of diplomats. Uhuru wont have this luxury. Instead, some mafia like businessmen and states will come here and say. ..'hello, we'll take your new oil and gas for cents per barrel, what choice do you have?'
How did you bring private corporations into this? Are you assuming that the Western based private corporations will leave Kenya? Oil is explored and produced by public listed companies from all over the world. They compete to buy and own blocks for exploration and production to maximise their owners wealth. Please don't be .....(I will spare you now).
harrydre
#16 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 12:26:27 AM
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quicksand wrote:
Liv wrote:
quicksand wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
Just asking- will they close their missions here? That's a stupid question, but i couldn't help wondering when someone said they are not supposed to get into contact with a nation led by ICC indictees unless necessary.
Dont think so. The embassy will still serve American tourists and businessmen, as well as provide cover for their intelligence people. When they say they will not get into contact, I think that means it will be junior and midlevel American functionaries dealing with junior and midlevel Kenyan functionaries. Humdrum stuff. Strategic discussions will be off the table. ..military aid, which is quite substantial is off. Saw how KDF pulled serious high marks for strategy and execution in Somalia? That was made possible by attachment to American special forces units, leadership, intelligence and strategy training. High level diplomats wont set foot here and their Ambassador will avoid the Executive like the plague. NSA and other US intelligence agencies might scale back the level of cooperation. ..read sharing info with our NSIS, making us more vulnerable. They held this one over Blair by the way, and Britain had to back US into Iraq. ...for disclosure, that is an analysis I read somewhere so its conjecture on my part, but it seems logical. So, small losses that will gain momentum with time.
Kibaki kept them off until they complained through the press that they cannot get to the President. President said he was too busy with the development of the country....and had no time for other activities.
Yes indeed, Kibaki did that. But he was not shut off. There is a big difference. Kibaki could stand his ground and say to the West. ..I don't like your terms. He also went one further and avoided the back and forth, dealing with minutae, a terrible affliction of diplomats. Uhuru wont have this luxury. Instead, some mafia like businessmen and states will come here and say. ..'hello, we'll take your new oil and gas for cents per barrel, what choice do you have?'
We will sell it right here in Africa.
i.am.back!!!!
Amores
#17 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 12:29:42 AM
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We are the people with the voters cards. Sasa hawa foreigners wanakuja kutuambia nini ?
I am happy
harrydre
#18 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 12:45:08 AM
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this to a large extent just makes jubilee gain more. Rink
i.am.back!!!!
Nandwa
#19 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 6:58:27 AM
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Much Know wrote:
When i heard this on radio, i initially thought he was warning Kenyans not to vote cord due to the explicit incitement on the issue of land. When i logged onto wazua, most posts indicated that they thought it was directed at UK, what an irony.
These are the hazards of letting emotions get the better of us. We see what we want to see!
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
KulaRaha
#20 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 8:07:50 AM
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Perhaps you also need to listen the the UK High Commissioner...the tide is turning...
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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