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OAR polaring Kenyans - of land and plots to rig elections
maka
#21 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:01:02 PM
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mukiha wrote:
maka wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
1. OAR has alleged of a plot by their competitors to rig the election early using the CCK.

ref - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Pp3AogPQ8

If he has any evidence of the above, why not present it to the authorities?

2. What is the intention of OAR in repeatedly bringing up the land issue telling Mr Kenyatta to return 'stolen' land, the 'size of Nyanza' - other than maybe stock tensions between two communities perceived to be supporting the Jubilee candidate? (communities that have always had a history of pre/post election violence ever since the advent of muliti-partyism)

Kenyans, him having been a Principal in the Grand Coalition government, shouldn't we be demanding answers from the Prime Minister as to why he has not been at the forefront of implementing the Land Reforms as part of Agenda 4 instead of him attacking Mr Kenyatta as an individual?

Vote wisely.

I do not see why someone
should have 300, 000 acres. It is
obscene. In fact if this guys don’t
know under Article 61 all land in
Kenya belongs to the people of
Kenya collectively as a Nation and
land is supposed to be used in a
manner that is equitable, efficient,
productive and sustainable.
In rural India, a committee of rural
development ministry on agrarian
land reforms has recommended that
the ceiling imposed on irrigated
lands should be 15-20 hectares and
holdings of non-irrigated lands
should be limited to 10-15 hectares.
To even compound matter that
committee has recommended that
the ceiling limits should be
implemented with retrospective
effect.
Further the panel, headed by the
Union rural development minister,
has also demanded that right to
homestead land and a house should
be enshrined as minimum rights for
the landless. A minimum of 10-15%
of land should be provided for the
landless and homeless in a time-
bound manner with the titles of the
land being made in the name of
women, it suggested. We need
those kind of reforms here.



Mukiha Ltd is steadily acquiring KQ shares; "soon" I will be owning about 50% of the company...then you will stand up and scream that "one person should note own" such a large chunk of a national asset....

...I was about too...anyway lemmie just keep quiet.
possunt quia posse videntur
Shak
#22 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:45:29 PM
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The ICC needs to pay attention to some of these politicians utterances and consider revising their list of suspects. They will realize that the very same players who prepared the ground for chaos in 2007 are doing the same again. Thank God for the IG who's speaking out against these plans
Impunity
#23 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:52:53 PM
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mukiha wrote:
xx@#$%^&*()_+!@


Ditto!
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You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

story teller
#24 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 11:01:23 PM
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Shak wrote:
The ICC needs to pay attention to some of these politicians utterances and consider revising their list of suspects. They will realize that the very same players who prepared the ground for chaos in 2007 are doing the same again. Thank God for the IG who's speaking out against these plans


I totally agree with you on this one. The CORD guys know very well that land is a very emotive issue and to a large extent resulted in the chaos of 2008..so for them to come out and claim their rhetoric is just political talk is quite dangerous..it's just as well this has been nipped in the bud by the IG and Kibunja..you just can't cross a certain line..

Why are they always trying to whip up negative emotions..or is that the only way they know how to win?
It's not hard to make decisions when you know what your values are.
josiah33
#25 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 11:05:31 PM
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story teller wrote:
Shak wrote:
The ICC needs to pay attention to some of these politicians utterances and consider revising their list of suspects. They will realize that the very same players who prepared the ground for chaos in 2007 are doing the same again. Thank God for the IG who's speaking out against these plans


I totally agree with you on this one. The CORD guys know very well that land is a very emotive issue and to a large extent resulted in the chaos of 2008..so for them to come out and claim their rhetoric is just political talk is quite dangerous..it's just as well this has been nipped in the bud by the IG and Kibunja..you just can't cross a certain line..

Why are they always trying to whip up negative emotions..or is that the only way they know how to win?

Did they say it was just political talk? I would be so surprised.
story teller
#26 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 11:13:42 PM
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josiah33 wrote:
story teller wrote:
Shak wrote:
The ICC needs to pay attention to some of these politicians utterances and consider revising their list of suspects. They will realize that the very same players who prepared the ground for chaos in 2007 are doing the same again. Thank God for the IG who's speaking out against these plans


I totally agree with you on this one. The CORD guys know very well that land is a very emotive issue and to a large extent resulted in the chaos of 2008..so for them to come out and claim their rhetoric is just political talk is quite dangerous..it's just as well this has been nipped in the bud by the IG and Kibunja..you just can't cross a certain line..

Why are they always trying to whip up negative emotions..or is that the only way they know how to win?

Did they say it was just political talk? I would be so surprised.


Yes, it was on the 9 o'clock news on Citizen TV..RAO even denied that he wanted to take people's land away..he actually beat a hasty retreat..

Like I said previously, this whole land debate is bad strategy and will come back to bite him if he continues with it.
It's not hard to make decisions when you know what your values are.
harrydre
#27 Posted : Thursday, February 07, 2013 6:44:40 AM
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He appealed to residents of Nyanza to elect only aspirants who are contesting on ODM ticket and referred to others as madoadoa.


Hate SpeechSad Sad
i.am.back!!!!
washiku
#28 Posted : Thursday, February 07, 2013 6:59:01 AM
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freiks wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
Amores wrote:
vote wisely

VOTE 50 YEARS OF INDEPENDENCE.

we know who is 50 years and who is not


The Jubilee (Hebrew yovel יובל) year is the year at the end of seven cycles of shmita (Sabbatical years), and according to Biblical regulations had a special impact on the ownership and management of land in the Land of Israel; there is some debate whether it was the 49th year (the last year of seven sabbatical cycles, referred to as the Sabbath's Sabbath), or whether it was the following (50th) year. Jubilee deals largely with land, property, and property rights. As with most cultures, the property rights regarding land, slaves and indentured servants was less absolute than for other property rights such as for tools and personal artifacts.[citation needed]The biblical rules concerning Sabbatical years (shmita) are still observed by many religious Jews in the State of Israel, but the regulations for the Jubilee year have not been observed for many centuries.
ecstacy
#29 Posted : Thursday, February 07, 2013 8:10:43 AM
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harrydre wrote:
Quote:
He appealed to residents of Nyanza to elect only aspirants who are contesting on ODM ticket and referred to others as madoadoa.


Hate SpeechSad Sad


This is indeed shocking! This term "madoadoa" was used in Rift Valley to polarise certain communities on the land issue just prior to the disputed 2007 General Election. The result was evictions of certain communities during PEV and the reason we have IDPs from 2007.

Raila "appealed to residents of Nyanza to elect only aspirants who are contesting on ODM ticket and referred to others as madoadoa."

http://www.standardmedia...%E2%80%99-at-CORD-rally

If this is not hate speech, what is? Shame, shame, shame.

Vote wisely.
josiah33
#30 Posted : Thursday, February 07, 2013 8:19:59 AM
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ecstacy wrote:
harrydre wrote:
Quote:
He appealed to residents of Nyanza to elect only aspirants who are contesting on ODM ticket and referred to others as madoadoa.


Hate SpeechSad Sad


This is indeed shocking! This term "madoadoa" was used in Rift Valley to polarise certain communities on the land issue just prior to the disputed 2007 General Election. The result was evictions of certain communities during PEV and the reason we have IDPs from 2007.

Raila "appealed to residents of Nyanza to elect only aspirants who are contesting on ODM ticket and referred to others as madoadoa."

http://www.standardmedia...%E2%80%99-at-CORD-rally

If this is not hate speech, what is? Shame, shame, shame.

Vote wisely.

He might be excused for using the 'madoadoa' term in the 'wrong' place. Imagine if he had done that elsewhere?
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