Tusker Baridi- you really reached to your backside and hurled your stuff on anything in sight,just to isolate and smear Central Province,and any persons appearing to lead them,a strategy too easy to see nowadays. People are trying to grapple with Mungiki and if you are providing solutions,you may need to appear like you understand the problem first.

I think TB has a point. Mungiki certainly have patrons otherwise they would have been stamped out ages ago. But I still differ with TB on his generalizations. Mungiki is no longer a Kikuyu problem though the most pain is certainly being felt in CP at the moment. Its just a matter of time before everyone feels it too. Soon there will be copy cat gangs all over,and everyone will suffer.

God is good

How quickly we forget... Just a few short years ago everyone knew... Mungiki DID NOT originate in Central province...It was started in the Rift Valley... specifically in the Laikipia region where Kyuks were being threatened with Molo-like murders.... Membership grew and spread to Central kenya... When the threat that existed in Laikipia subsided,these young men suddenly had nowhere to go and nothing to do... Then Dandora came knocking requiring the same 'Security services' for their matatus from the Taliban or some other group... I actually remember a demonstration by Matatu owners in that area in support of Mungiki who had supposedly 'liberated' them only for them to cry out when they realised that there was no difference between the two groups.... Muranga was just a latter-day base of operation... AND NO Mungiki has nothing to do with Mau Mau...

.GUKA.I hope your daughters are not in this thing.....

The cunning of the Buffalo

Justice must be done on the whole issue of Mungiki as we know them today.
They do not have more rights than the rest of us.
They must toil,soil their hands and break a sweat if they expect to earn a living and or create wealth.
This argument about their supposed deprivation of land at independence doesnt quite wash.
At independence,Kenyas population was a paltry 8million or there abouts. I am not aware that,at that time there was anything akin to the current kind of rat race for land.
Any one who knew the value of land and made an effort to get it,got it.
Some got it in the rift valley - bought it from departing Johnies.
If some,ne'er do wells made no effort at all,or got it but later sold it off,then,they have to deal with the situation they find themselves in,without demanding for illegal levies and generally making life difficult for everybody else.

Those wily foxes in govt then,who amassed large tracts of land for themselves,though immoral,they own it legaly and there can not be any civil/legal basis to disposes them of their asset.
Over the years some have sold part and/or and invested the proceeds in different sectors of the economy,- do we also snatch those other investments from them?

The Kenyatta family has,and continues to sell substantial part of their land.
Criticos sold/attached his land for financial facilities.
How do you begin to sort that out - i.e if we were to be mad enough to take that route.

I say,let the Delamares be.


B.timer

Simplistic solutions like killing all the mungiki have not solved this problem.

Simpleton attitudes from Tusker Baridi and co. don't only not solve the problem but do not deserve an audience. I know alot of kikuyu and they aren't mungiki.

However,I have a bone to pick with those who bring up land as the problem when anything goes wrong. Who's land are you talking about? How far in history should we go to find the so called 'rightful landowners'? So now Tusker and co want all the kikuyu to beat up Kenyatta on an assumed notion that they stole land. Ah,lets go and kill all the delameres and those that own ranches. Actually Moi is still alive,lets deal with him right now! Grow up!

We are in 2009,trying to convince anyone that land was stolen or not in 1963 is very stupid. Made more stupid by the fact that all of you here were not born then. I hazard to guess that most of you never saw Kenyatta. All your arguments are based on heresay,innuendo and romour. If it were true,why not start in Mau forest,where everyone is burning land that is causing drought and floods all over Kenya?

Mungiki is a social issue. I have said so before and stand by it. When parents fail to lead their children to the right path and look the other way as they do criminal acts,mungiki is the outcome. For those who think it is a solely kikuyu problem,then think again. I would like you to visit a slum and then let us see if the youth in that area will let you go because you aren't a kikuyu.

Killing people never solved the problem. Remember when the took out the Taliban,you cheered. Now another group is taking out the mungiki. You are still cheering.

The only solution will be social change. those cheering that the kikuyu are dying might regret it later when their own do the same. By that time,the mungiki may have been solved but what we shall have are hooligans who uproot the railway that feeds their own areas. Go figure!

Parents should stop blaming the gov't when their children burn schools. Parents should spend more time with their kids instead of going to the bar or kesha. parents should be parents and let children know they are responsible for their lives and not kenyatta,delamere,the white man,Odinga,or any other boogeyman you will come up with.

Nanfor.... Umeongea kama wanaume Ishirini na tano point fae... Have one on me...

@B-Timer,your arguement does not wash.

The Mzungu took land from Kenyans,and sold to other kenyans. The only reason some kenyans did not grab land after independence like the learned thugs is coz they did not know how,or why.

To them land was a communal asset to be shared,they didn't know one would be issued with a title deed that would make land the personal property of one person. In short they were robbed,or disenfranchised.

This arguement about re-possessing land from the rich being an injustice does not make sense,I don't think the kenyatta's or the Moi's would suddenly become paupers if 90% of their land was re-possesed,they have other assets. Kenyatta's (substantial shares in CBA,AIG among others. ownership of Brookside and Tuzo,Blushield insurance,numerous city buldings,heritage hotels,peponi school). Moi's (Substantial shares in CFC Bank,Unga Limited,Transnational bank,ownership of various businesses including Kabarak University and Sovereign Group.

All this assets have been accumulated through theft of gava cash and sale of government property

Majority of Kenyans live on less than $ a day,tell me where is the justice here. Warudishe shamba,if they must own land,then let them be given half of Turkana or Marsabit.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.

U guys can argue to antarntica and back but as wananishi,the easiest method we have is hanging these naughty foot soldiers to dry b4 knowing the nxt step. Those allocating blame to land tycoons,be the first to set foot in the delamare.... then come tell us how the gun shots on ua butt are recuperating.....

Truest proverb: Mwenda pole hajikwai

I really don't understand why you guys keep on responding to this Tusker Baridi guy....i have been following his posts in different topics and almost all of them have been anti-kikuyu. He is always the first person to defend Raila while at the same time trashing MK & all PNU MPs especially Kikuyu MPs....You need to move on and please stop this pointless anti-kikuyu campaign you seem to potray in your posts.

Just look at some of his posts on Equity Bank...







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