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Buster
#31 Posted : Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:51:46 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Buster wrote:
As much as I am not jubilee, I don't think there will be any sanctions should jubilee win. The sanctions will only come in if Uhuruto decide not to honour the ICC summons.


Its extremely hard logistically to try a sitting president and will be a first for the ICC!

Don't forget that UHURUTO will control the police and therefore witness protection if elected! How can a credible trial be held in such circumstances??

And sane Kenyans running successful businesses are still supporting jubilee?d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
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jaggernaut
#32 Posted : Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:57:11 PM
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Sanctions will only be applied in jubilee strongholds. As they say siasa mbaya maisha mbaya. The world can't punish CORDists who vote the pro-west OAR.
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Buster
#33 Posted : Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:58:01 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Buster wrote:
As much as I am not jubilee, I don't think there will be any sanctions should jubilee win. The sanctions will only come in if Uhuruto decide not to honour the ICC summons.
Summons by 5 judges are useless compared to the will of majority Kenyans and we don't want a power vacuum so Uhuruto should not honour the summons to be able to run the country.They can go to ICC after their term in office.


UHURUTO are brighter than you and are very much aware that the law never changes its pace, it moves at a very slow agonizing speed but never stops.

They know that if they ignore the summons shielding themselves behind kenyans, they will eventually have to go to the hague after their term as president. To avoid this eventuality, they will change the constitution to ensure they never relinquish power.

Vote them come March 4 and you have presidents for life

Holding Kenyans to ransom out of their selfish interest. Majority of Kenyans have seen this.
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#34 Posted : Saturday, February 02, 2013 1:00:26 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
@obi, interesting! Kindly educate the ignoramuses here like myself on how jubilee will change the constitution to allow them life-rule.


Are you kidding me! They are ready to condemn the country to sanctions just to avoid the Hague, do you think some piece of paper with a few sentences about how to do things will stop them.

Buy some MP here (ask MaDVD), threaten another one there etc. and if they require a referendum, then threaten the Mountain folk that RAO is around the corner waiting to eat their children.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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poundfoolish
#35 Posted : Saturday, February 02, 2013 1:00:49 PM
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ZZE123 wrote:
kamundu wrote:
Im from central, but I wish andu a nyumba would see this. The middle class will have the most to loose. If Jubilee wins fuel might just be 1k pap. Then we will have a 1000 trillion note!

Please explain how this will happen!


I believe the 1st round targets the individuals... Their bank accounts.. businesses etc. bt these fellows get options.. currently china..
When you still a problem they squeeze you more.. you squeeze the citizens..
they then hope youd be voted out cos it will be 5yrs then.. you still hang on.. they shift to second gear....
you screw your countrymen more and start altering the constitution to rule a lifetime...
they go 3rd gear..
They call their effing dollars... banks.. corporates... forbid any other companies to work with the Kenyan govt... that includes the likes of FB, Googke.. the damn provider Wazua is hosted.. literally get cordoned off.. thats when the CocaColas move out and the lockheed Martins.. cooupled with some Russians, North Koreans and anybody else who can sell arms, moves in.. Shell and Exxon movee to Turkana too.. but since they dont wanna share revenues wirh govt.. theyd rather sponsor sessesion.. civil strife bla bla bla...
Idiot still hangs in.. they go 'French'... no effffing time on niceties. just troops on the ground... you go Gbagbo way...
We all lose.. they still made money

but with their problems at home... nowdays they dont waste time on small 3rd world countries.. if you are strategic enuff like Kenya.. they just move in and do it
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mkeiyd
#36 Posted : Saturday, February 02, 2013 2:03:00 PM
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mawinder wrote:
Buster wrote:
As much as I am not jubilee, I don't think there will be any sanctions should jubilee win. The sanctions will only come in if Uhuruto decide not to honour the ICC summons.
Summons by 5 judges are useless compared to the will of majority Kenyans and we don't want a power vacuum so Uhuruto should not honour the summons to be able to run the country.They can go to ICC after their term in office.


@mawinder, And with that we start the short journey of joining Zimbabwe.
I ask you, what is there for you when we go Zimbabwe way?
Any concrete plans of fueling your tippers when that happens?
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mkeiyd
#37 Posted : Saturday, February 02, 2013 2:07:23 PM
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nakujua wrote:
all this sanctions and failing economy talk is just talk, either way I think if we would need that - the middle class would be wiped out pap, and at last join what the majority of Kenyans feel everyday.
its not as if the Zimbabweans have all stopped existing, in fact I think there are more people who go to bed hungry in Kenya then zim.

sudan, iran, syria, north koren, south africa during the arpatheid era, venezuela, cuba, syria ... have and are still in existence and surviving despite the in-difference from the west


The above post is what that @guru signature meant.
Sacrificing everything for NOTHING.

You are here beating up your bony-chest how we don't need the west whilst all your UK guy is doing is surrounding himself with whites.
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mawinder
#38 Posted : Saturday, February 02, 2013 2:24:28 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Buster wrote:
As much as I am not jubilee, I don't think there will be any sanctions should jubilee win. The sanctions will only come in if Uhuruto decide not to honour the ICC summons.
Summons by 5 judges are useless compared to the will of majority Kenyans and we don't want a power vacuum so Uhuruto should not honour the summons to be able to run the country.They can go to ICC after their term in office.


@mawinder, And with that we start the short journey of joining Zimbabwe.
I ask you, what is there for you when we go Zimbabwe way?
Any concrete plans of fueling your tippers when that happens?

Any credible link to show that we may go the Zimbabwe way if we elect them and they don't go to Hague?This is a purely domestic matter and has nothing to do with international community.ICC if need be can be granted a court room in Milimani to try muthaura and sang but not our elected leaders and that's why jubilee calls the elections a referendum on ICC.btw,@mkeiyd,how did you know me?
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githundi
#39 Posted : Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:19:18 PM
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I like the sober discussion here. The probability of sanctions is there but low. This probability is over blown because of the following reasons.
1. When Uhuruto win, they will seek to use the icc court to either hold trials for case 1 and 2 separately so as to enable at least one of them to be in the country to govern the country or postpone the cases. Or use the un security council to do postpone the cases.
2. These guys are smart and they will act in public interest, failure to which we throw them out in the next elections.
3. Kenya is in a strategic position in us horn of africa politics, As an ally, Us, the major world power cannot allow kenya to go to the dogs.
4. These things take time, and the next elections are due on august 2017, after slightly four years and Kenyans will have a chance to assess the performance of jubilee and decide.
5. We all know we need a referendum to change the main body of Kenya constitution and as such the suspects cannot change the same Without our consent.
6. I have a strong hunch that actually kenya will be much better off economically with the suspects. They will be working to surprise the doom sayers.
On another note, i have to admit that Cord are much better at shaping the opinion of kenyans. Seems they have better propaganda machinery. More specific, am amazed at how OAR turns villains to heros overnight and vice versa. Am not surprised that many people are swayed by this propaganda. I do not like the politics of character assasination and incitement they are currently doing in their campaigns. They should borrow a leaf from Jubilee and discuss issues. The issue of sanctions is real but is simply overblown.
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githundi
#40 Posted : Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:34:52 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
nakujua wrote:
all this sanctions and failing economy talk is just talk, either way I think if we would need that - the middle class would be wiped out pap, and at last join what the majority of Kenyans feel everyday.
its not as if the Zimbabweans have all stopped existing, in fact I think there are more people who go to bed hungry in Kenya then zim.

sudan, iran, syria, north koren, south africa during the arpatheid era, venezuela, cuba, syria ... have and are still in existence and surviving despite the in-difference from the west


The above post is what that @guru signature meant.
Sacrificing everything for NOTHING.

You are here beating up your bony-chest how we don't need the west whilst all your UK guy is doing is surrounding himself with whites.

@ Mkeiyd, i have indicated earlier that the issue of sanctions is simply overblown. There is a deliberate strategy by Cord to overblow the issue and scare the Jubilee supporters from either voting, to shift their support or simply to make them guilty of a misdeed by by simply voting Uhuruto. And they are unfortunately having a measure of success.
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